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It's a mailbag day, and Sarah and Beth work through everything the Substack Premium community sent in — starting with the Lindsay Clancy jury deadlock and whether the legal system is built to answer a question like this one, then into a new round of tariffs and how this administration keeps finding new legal doors no matter what the Supreme Court says. They spend real time on a listener question about whether the evangelical church can repent from Trumpism, working through what happens when politics and religion try to answer the same question about human freedom on two completely different timelines — and where they land differently along the way. They set the record straight on what Project 2025 actually says about the FDA, talk about who benefits from a weakened food and drug regulatory system, and take on the bigger question of how to keep functioning when people can't agree on the same reality anymore. Then it's the midterms: Sarah's optimistic, Beth's braced for anything, and both explain why. Outside of Politics, they get into what's worth correcting in kids and what's worth letting go of as they get older, the particular chaos of the first weeks back at school, and a rapid-fire round covering summer highs and lows, on-camera style, Sarah Bareilles's new album, early holiday traditions, and who they'd most like to interview under truth serum. If you missed our live show in Minneapolis, the full recording is available in our shop for $15 — a substantial discount, and well worth your time. That virtual option exists because of the generosity of Fearless Finance and Substack. And if you haven't already, check out this week's bonus live conversation with Jen Hatmaker on Substack. One quick heads up: next week is Labor Day, so we're recording Tuesday instead of Monday, which means the next episode lands in your feeds on Wednesday instead of Tuesday. New episodes every Tuesday and Friday. Subscribe so you never miss one. Support the show and get access to News Briefs, Spicy Live bonus episodes, and community: https://pantsuitpolitics.substack.com Listen on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/pantsuit-politics/id1055348656 Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/37qY4LmXijGefBvzR0lWKt Follow us on Instagram: @pantsuitpolitics — Pantsuit Politics is hosted by Sarah Stewart Holland and Beth Silvers. Produced by Studio D Podcast Production. Our theme music was composed by Xander Singh with inspiration from original work by Dante Lima. This podcast and every episode of it are wholly owned by Pantsuit Politics LLC and are protected by US and international copyright, trademark, and other intellectual property laws. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Meta just settled with 47 states for roughly $17 billion over claims it built a product designed to addict teenagers, and Flock cameras are facing a backlash that runs from Lexington's city council all the way to Capitol Hill. Sarah and Beth connect the two stories: both are about building first and asking permission basically never. They dig into whether this is big tech's big tobacco moment, why the product changes in the settlement should probably apply to adults too, what a national license plate database actually does to civil liberties, and where the two of them land very differently on traffic cameras. Underneath it all is Beth's argument that we are increasingly being asked to live in excerpts, and Sarah's that we are chasing a zero-risk society that does not exist. Then Outside of Politics, they come home from Minneapolis with a joy hangover from the first-ever Spice Conference and talk about what four hundred people in one room says about the community they've built. Still Listening is coming — a pop-up book club built around our first book, with free discussion guides and a big online session with Sarah and Beth. Sign up to participate here: https://forms.gle/FnSiAH9uD9GSX4g38 Support the show and get access to News Briefs, Spicy Live bonus episodes, and community: https://pantsuitpolitics.substack.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Sarah and Beth dig into the new executive order on childhood vaccines and the request for information the Department of Health and Human Services issued on August 24 — what "shared clinical decision making" actually means, why unbundling the MMR shot asks far more of families than this administration has shown any willingness to make possible, and how two measles deaths in Pennsylvania were both foreseeable and foreseen. Sarah talks candidly about the years she kept one of her own children on an alternate vaccine schedule and what it took to come back from it. Then Beth sits down with Beth Sumner of Grandparents for Vaccines, whose brother contracted polio in 1954, one year before the Salk vaccine became available, and who describes what that did to him and to their whole family across the next six decades. Outside of Politics, they get into the things from their youth that hold up, the things that really do not, and a genuinely contentious disagreement about whether "American Pie" is any good. Pantsuit Politics is in Minneapolis this weekend for its one and only live show of 2026. In-person tickets are sold out, but virtual tickets are still available and are buy one, get one half off. Pantsuit Politics is listener-supported. To join the community of paid subscribers who make the show possible, subscribe on Substack. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Sarah opens by calling it what it is — a national day of mourning — and she and Beth spend the hour on the only thing anybody's feed is showing them: Dolly Parton, dead at 80. They trace the fork in the road that turned a prolific Hall of Fame country star into a global icon, from the podcast and the Drunk History episode to the Miley and Taylor of it all and America's unbelievable hunger for a unifying figure. Sarah makes the case that the most under-discussed thing about Dolly Parton is her shrewdness — saying no to Elvis, keeping her publishing, running a hyper-professional business out of Tennessee her whole life — and that she likes that woman a great deal more than the angel-on-earth version. Beth talks about using this week with her daughters to describe what a good life and a good death actually look like, and about what it means to come into enormous wealth from a background of being poor but happy. They get into the wigs as a shield, the sincerity underneath the artifice, the faith that ran through all of it, and how on earth she escaped the last ten years of polarization without ever making the statement everyone demanded. Along the way: the Imagination Library, the My People Fund, the Moderna money, Steel Magnolias, and why "I Will Always Love You" is a business breakup song. In-person tickets for our August 29 live show in Minneapolis are sold out, but virtual tickets are still available and are buy one, get one half off. This is our only live gathering in 2026: https://www.pantsuitpoliticsshow.com/p/2026-events Support the show and get access to Morning Assembly, bonus episodes, and the best community on the internet: https://pantsuitpolitics.substack.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Sarah opens with a simple question — what's going on with the ladies? — and she and Beth spend the hour discovering that you can't answer it without first describing the sexism everyone is swimming in. They walk through head-of-household voting being discussed openly in respectable rooms, promotions blocked at the Pentagon on the basis of sex and race, and a bipartisan IVF provision for military families killed in committee. Then they turn to Natalie Harp, the aide who follows the president with a printer, and the strange insistence from her defenders that a thirty-five-year-old woman with enormous daily influence is somehow both above and below criticism. Sarah and Beth talk about Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez filming her egg retrieval and why Republicans are genuinely stuck on IVF, about Susie Wiles and Darline Graham and two very different theories of how a woman gets power, and about the women showing up in pink outside the Lindsay Clancy trial. Outside of Politics, they compare notes on nostalgia concerts: Sarah saw En Vogue, TLC, and Salt-N-Pepa in Franklin and is ready to tap out, while Beth saw Garth Brooks in Indianapolis and will take any live music ticket you offer her. In-person tickets for our August 29 live show in Minneapolis are sold out, but virtual tickets are still available and are buy one, get one half off. This is our only live gathering in 2026: https://www.pantsuitpoliticsshow.com/p/2026-events Support the show and get access to Morning Assembly, bonus episodes, and the best community on the internet: https://pantsuitpolitics.substack.com The Korean skincare brand everyone is talking about. Our listeners get 20% off their entire order by using code PANTSUIT at jiyuskin.com/PANTSUIT #JIYU #ad Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Beth watched Christopher Nolan's Odyssey this summer and could not stop thinking about it as an extensive metaphor for American politics. We ended up talking about disorientation, the allies we've spit in the eye of, the moment Odysseus blinds the Cyclops he'd already escaped from, and whether America's time has come. Then, Outside of Politics, we're sharing part of our crossover with Knox and Jamie at The Popcast about the odyssey that is podcasting. In-person tickets for our August 29 live show in Minneapolis are sold out, but virtual tickets are still available and are buy one, get one half off. This is our only live gathering in 2026: https://www.pantsuitpoliticsshow.com/p/2026-events Support the show and get access to our new morning talk show, bonus episodes, and the best community on the internet: https://pantsuitpolitics.substack.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Sarah and Beth are back together after summer break, and they're starting with the question everyone seems to be asking: was this summer the worst? They work through the cyclospora outbreak and what it means to not trust the salad or the information about the salad, the storms that keep coming, the war narrative that changed every forty-eight hours, and the new polling showing Trump losing ground with his strongest supporters. They dig into what the Michigan Senate primary did to Haley Stevens and what that says about the people who cover politics, why AOC calling Woke 1.0 crazy might be a gift to the Democratic Party, and why data centers can go up in months while a bridge takes ten years. Then, because dark times have always made good music, they hand out the first-ever Pantsuit Politics Music Awards — song of the summer, album of the summer, and new and noteworthy. We are in Minneapolis on August 29 — in-person tickets close Wednesday morning, and virtual tickets are buy one, get one free: https://www.pantsuitpoliticsshow.com/p/2026-events Support the show and get access to News Briefs, Spicy Live bonus episodes, and community: https://pantsuitpolitics.substack.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Beth is still on vacation, so Sarah drafted a guest co-host she's been married to for 23 years. Sarah and Nicholas run through the headlines — Iran's "low-key" chess game, the cost of absolutely everything, and the Flock cameras multiplying across the country — before digging into the state of the Democratic Party: the DSA's rise, AOC, purity tests, and why Barack Obama is somehow still the party's leader. Then, Outside of Politics, the full report on the Hollands' 3,000-mile RV trip from hell — eight states, four national parks, one brutal adenovirus, and a PSA about the rental company. Join us in Minneapolis on August 29 — or grab a virtual ticket to watch the live show from home: https://www.pantsuitpoliticsshow.com/p/2026-events Support the show and get access to News Briefs, Spicy Live bonus episodes, and community: https://pantsuitpolitics.substack.com Iran Trump to Axios: "We are low-keying it" with Iran (Axios): https://www.axios.com/2026/08/09/trump-iran-interview The Economy July jobs report: US economy shed 23,000 jobs (NBC News): https://www.nbcnews.com/business/economy/july-2026-jobs-report-rcna591138 The Employment Situation — July 2026 (BLS): https://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm Chick-fil-A keeps winning over customers despite quietly increasing prices by 55% (Market Realist): https://marketrealist.com/how-much-have-menu-prices-of-chick-fil-a-gone-up/ Substack essay on Chick-fil-A pricing that Sarah mentioned (add link) Surveillance & Flock Cameras The New York Times on Flock cameras (add link) How rogue officers turned a nationwide camera network into a tool for stalking (The Washington Post): https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2026/08/02/how-police-officers-used-vast-network-cameras-spy-their-exes/ Police cameras tracked one driver 526 times in four months, lawsuit says (NBC News): https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/security/virginia-police-used-flock-cameras-track-driver-safety-lawsuit-surveil-rcna230399 The Democratic Party Platner's Top Strategist on What Went Wrong | The Ezra Klein Show: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xET1CqVTrNE Pantsuit Politics on the Reagan legacy (add link) Outside of Politics: The RV Trip Theodore Roosevelt Presidential Library — Plan Your Visit: https://www.trlibrary.com/visit Medora Musical: https://medora.com/medoramusical/ Pitchfork Steak Fondue: https://medora.com/pitchforksteakfondue/ Sun Tours — Blackfeet-owned tours of Glacier National Park: https://www.suntours.co/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The breaking news in Sarah's hometown is the breaking news everywhere: Paducah, Kentucky is getting a $100 billion data center. Sarah is joined by Lacey Bowling, head of Paducah Cooperative Ministries, to talk about what the anti-data center backlash gets right and wrong — water, power bills, pollution, tax subsidies — and the deeper story: a trust vacuum at every level of government and a growing sense that the wealth isn't for the rest of us. Outside of Politics: their kids are officially high school seniors. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Beth is out for two more weeks, so I've got a guest host: Laura Tremaine, my co-host over at Slow Read. We start in California, where Laura has lived for 25 years, and get honest about Gavin Newsom — the trolling, Prop 50, the podcast with Charlie Kirk, and why even the people rolling their eyes at him keep talking themselves into him for 2028. That opens up a bigger question we can't stop circling: what does the Democratic Party actually stand for right now, with no leader and no message? Then we get into that viral Atlantic piece, "The End of Reading Is Here." We talk about slow reading as an antidote to algorithmic media, what our civic life loses when people stop reading books, and why neither of us is ready to call it over just yet. We also announce our next Slow Read book. Outside of Politics: the summer the movies came back. The Odyssey, Spider-Man, Toy Story 5, and whether Christopher Nolan is our new Spielberg. Two weeks left to grab tickets to our live show in Minneapolis on August 29: https://www.pantsuitpoliticsshow.com/p/join-us-in-minneapolis-94f Topics discussed: • Gavin Newsom, California Politics, and the 2028 Democratic Primary • The Democrats' Search for a Fighter (and a Message) • Slow Reading as an Antidote to Algorithmic Media • The Atlantic's "The End of Reading" and What It Means for Civic Life • Slow Read's Next Book: Outlander • Outside of Politics: The Summer the Movies Came Back Mentioned in this episode: The End of Reading Is Here (The Atlantic) — https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/2026/08/reading-crisis-postliterate-age/687618/ Slow Read — https://slowread.substack.com Laura Tremaine's Secret Stuff — https://secretstuff.substack.com Our show is listener-supported. Join our community of paid subscribers at https://pantsuitpolitics.substack.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://megaphone.rm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Teen driving is the leading cause of death among adolescents — and most of us are completely winging it when we hand over the keys. Dr. Charlie Klauer is a Research Scientist and Associate Professor of Industrial and Systems Engineering at Virginia Tech. She's spent fifteen years doing naturalistic driving research: cameras and sensors in teenagers' cars, watching what they actually do. We took notes and hope you'll find her learnings helpful, too. Topics discussed:Why teen driving is more dangerous than most parents realizeHow to structure the learner's permit period for maximum practiceNight driving, interstate driving, and other milestone moments to sequence carefullyHow parents' own driving habits shape teens behind the wheelApps and tools for monitoring teen drivers without being in the carWhy giving a teen "their own" car may increase risky drivingAt what age teens should start learning — and why waiting until 18 isn't the answerDr. Klauer's survey for parents (link in show notes)Join us live in Minneapolis on August 29 — virtual tickets available at pantsuitpoliticsshow.com. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

It's easy to check the organ donor box on your driver's license without thinking too much about how organs are treated and routed to people who need them. NYT investigative reporter Brian Rosenthal thoroughly examined the system. His complicated findings have led to congressional inquiry and meaningful progress. This is a conversation about where the system fell short, what his reporting changed, and what still needs work.Topics discussed:How the organ transplant system actually works (it's not really a list)Why doctors can refuse organs offered to their patients — and patients are never toldWhat federal pressure on organ procurement organizations produced in KentuckyHow the priority list was being bypassed 20% of the time — and why time pressure wasn't actually the reasonWealthy foreign nationals getting faster organ access at certain U.S. hospitalsWhat's changed since Brian's reporting and what reforms are now in placeThe future of organ donation: animal organs, AI matching, printed organs Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Kids who are anxious about the news might not need to hear less — they might need to know more. Tracy Kaplan, creator of The 10 News (a podcast for kids and families ages 8-12), has spent six years helping kids make sense of everything from the Russia-Ukraine war to gun violence to banned books. What she's learned about talking to kids about hard news is useful for parents too.Topics discussed:Why kids' anxiety about the news is often rooted in a knowledge gap, not the news itselfHow The 10 News covers scary topics like school shootings — and why vagueness can be worse than directnessWhat kids actually want to know more about (spoiler: more politics, not less)How to cover hard stories without being condescendingThe shift toward more international coverage over six yearsWhat it looks like to watch a generation of kids grow up through the news Go to ⁠⁠⁠groundnews.com/pantsuit⁠⁠⁠ for 40% off the unlimited access Vantage plan. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

One of the hardest parts of paying attention to international news is wondering: what can I, one person, do about this? Today's guest, Gwyn Ridenhour, asked herself that question and answered in an extraordinary way. She moved to Lviv, Ukraine, to put books in the hands of children living through the war. Her project, Vinok Libraries, is small and specific and a quiet wonder. Today, she tells us about the work she's doing and how we can help. Topics discussed:What drew Gwyn to Ukraine — and why she moved there during the warHow Vinok Libraries works: sourcing books, shipping them to Ukraine, distributing to schoolsThe language politics of children's books in Ukraine (Ukrainian, English, and the gap)Delivering books near the front line and what that looked like in personWhat $500 means to a school that's been bombedThe bookmobile dream and how to support it Go to ⁠⁠groundnews.com/pantsuit⁠⁠ for 40% off the unlimited access Vantage plan. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

While Sarah's on summer break, Beth talks with writer and urban planner Angie Schmitt about giving yourself permission to feel lighter about the news this summer, then digs into what's gone wrong with how American cities and neighborhoods are built for kids — from car-dependent suburbs to vanishing teen hangouts. Topics discussed: Taking an emotional break from the news without checking out entirely ICE shootings, cabinet confirmation hearings, and the Iran war Why car-dependent neighborhoods limit kids' independence The nationwide school bus driver shortage Disappearing teen hangouts and rules around unsupervised kids How lawsuit-aversion backfires on children's wellbeing Rebuilding civic infrastructure — rec leagues, public pools, community schools Book recommendations: Shiloh and The Sheep Detectives Join us in Minneapolis on August 29th for a live show and after party — details and tickets at pantsuitpoliticsshow.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Beth is joined by guest host Alex McCoy, a progressive organizer focused on holding Big Tech accountable, for a conversation about what breaks trust and how to rebuild it. They start with what the collapse of the Graham Platner campaign reveals about the progressive movement's relationship with imperfect candidates, then turn to the accountability vacuum around AI — who's making decisions about our jobs, our data, and our lives, and why almost nobody is calling their member of Congress about it. Topics discussed: Graham Platner's Senate campaign collapse and what it means for progressive candidate recruitment Trust, accountability, and the "the groups are the problem" debate in Democratic politics What voters actually want from elected officials AI's growing role in hiring, firing, workplace surveillance, and government decisions The AI industry's political spending and lobbying power How to actually get your member of Congress to pay attention to AI Alex McCoy's immersive medieval battle reenactment hobby Beth talked with Alex about the kind of in-person community his medieval weekends create — that's exactly what's waiting in Minneapolis on August 29. Grab tickets here. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Beth sits down with Lauren Pinkston, an independent candidate for governor of Tennessee, on the same day Governor Beshear sent Senator Mitch McConnell a letter asking about his month-long hospitalization. They use that story, plus Graham Platner's exit from the Maine Senate race, to get at something bigger: what "honor" means in public life when authenticity and elitism both fall short. Then they turn to what that looks like in practice — data centers, classrooms, and a possible return of family dinners to the governor's residence. Topics discussed: Transparency and elected officials' health, from Mitch McConnell to Tom Kean Jr. Graham Platner's exit from the Maine Senate race and what it says about party incentives Elitism, authenticity, and what "honor" means in public service Money in politics and running a campaign without party infrastructure A proposed moratorium on data centers in Tennessee Rebuilding public education: vouchers, Montessori models, screen time, and special education Parenting lessons Lauren brings to how she'd govern Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Sarah's on summer break this week, so Beth sits down with chef, culinary historian, and seventh-grade history teacher Mica Chavez to trace how food actually built the world we live in — from the Columbian Exchange and the science behind corn, to slavery, immigration, and the industrial food system we're stuck with today. Topics discussed: The Columbian Exchange: how corn, chili, potatoes, and tomatoes reshaped diets on both sides of the Atlantic The science of nixtamalization — why New World corn didn't wreck teeth the way Old World wheat did How chili peppers spread across the globe via birds The Irish potato famine's surprising link to New Mexico settlement history Indigenous and Spanish foodways merging in the Southwest: acequias, sheep, and companion planting How mechanization and post-WWII food policy created the mass-produced, processed food system Precision farming, AI, and the tension between efficiency and sustainability What to cook this summer (hint: it's pie) Speaking of good food and good company — the Minneapolis live show after party has both! Get your tickets here. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

For America's 250th, we asked Ezra Klein what freedom actually requires of us — and he took us somewhere we didn't expect: attention. We get into why the older idea of freedom was about self-mastery, not just endless choice, and what that means for how we live, parent, and govern right now. It's a Fourth of July conversation about virtue, institutions, and whether we can still build something new.Topics discussed:• The vision of abundance and why the future is so hard to imagine• Attention as a collective resource — and why ours is deranged• Freedom as choice vs. freedom as self-mastery• Virtue, vice, and the illiberal moment• Institutional trust, corruption, and the education debate• Natalism, AI, and whether we're living through an aberration• Outside of Politics: which founder would make the best podcast guestResources mentioned:• Abundance by Ezra Klein and Derek Thompson https://bookshop.org/a/124929/9781668023488• Why We're Polarized by Ezra Kleinhttps://bookshop.org/a/124929/9781476700366• The Lost History of Liberalism by Helena Rosenblatt https://bookshop.org/a/124929/9780691203966• The Pursuit of Happiness by Jeffrey Rosen https://bookshop.org/a/124929/9781668002483• The British Are Coming by Rick Atkinson https://bookshop.org/a/124929/9781250231321• "Now Is a Time of Monsters" by Ezra Klein, The New York Timeshttps://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/12/opinion/ai-climate-change-low-birth-rates.html?eafs_enabled=false Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We're celebrating America 250 with three-time Pulitzer winner Rick Atkinson, whose Revolution Trilogy strips the reverence off the founding to show what was actually there: the first American civil war, a continent of human loss, and a republic that has weathered worse than this. Outside of Politics, the most important question of the summer: what's your favorite fair food? Topics discussed:The Revolution as America's first civil warWhy Britain lost a war it was expected to win — and the role of alliesThe human cost: Valley Forge and the letters of Sergeant Oliver ReedThe women of the Revolution and "remember the ladies"Reliable and unreliable narrators in historyAmerican exceptionalism, reconsideredOutside of Politics: the glory of fair foodWant the full America 250 series, including our premium Good Morning and More to Say episodes? Join our community at pantsuitpoliticsshow.com. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

After a wave of June primaries, the question isn't just whether democratic socialism is winning — it's what it's actually offering. Beth and Sarah pull apart the electoral story (charisma, anti-establishment energy, and a generational shift on Israel) from the policy story: where collective approaches have something real to contribute, where capitalism still delivers, and the third thing Trump is quietly building that nobody's naming.Topics discussed:- The Mamdani effect and the June primary results across four states- Why Mamdani spent political capital endorsing three House races- The generational shift on Israel and the "Ossoff off-ramp"- How the DSA and the IMF each define their economic vision- Where markets fail (caregiving, healthcare) and where capitalism still works- "State-guided capitalism" and what Trump is actually building- Billionaires as a manifestation of the system, not the cause- Outside Politics: Confessions of a know-it-all and getting "fired" by your doctorNext week is the big one — our America 250 celebration, with Good Morning from 1776, Founding Father karaoke, and two special episodes. Don't miss it: join us at pantsuitpoliticsshow.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

From a $14.5 million paint job peeling off the bottom of the Lincoln Memorial Reflecting Pool to a sitting vice president's conversion memoir, this episode is about the distance between what leaders perform and what they actually deliver. Sarah and Beth dig into rushed, made-for-TV governance, Keir Starmer's resignation one day before Brexit's tenth anniversary, and the Washington Post's bombshell reporting on faith and power in American politics.Topics discussed:- The Lincoln Memorial Reflecting Pool's makeover gone wrong- Keir Starmer's resignation and Brexit at ten- What the center-left can learn from Europe's leadership turnover- The Washington Post investigation into Tulsi Gabbard and the Science of Identity Foundation- JD Vance's conversion memoir, Communion- Sincere faith vs. faith as a political tool — Hegseth, Talarico, and Beshear- Where a faith advisor ends and a political advisor begins- Pantsuit Politics featured in the Washington PostOur America 250 celebrations — the murder mystery parties and the Film Club — are all happening over on Substack. Join us at pantsuitpoliticsshow.com. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The President announced a "deal" with Iran on his birthday, between a UFC fight and a crypto promotion — except it isn't a deal, it's a memorandum of understanding, which is a fancy way of saying nobody agreed to much of anything yet. Sarah and Beth get into what's actually happening in Iran, then turn to a Pew Research framework that breaks the country into nine political types instead of two parties. Plus: the surprisingly useful rule about when it's worth staying up late.Topics discussed:- The Iran "deal" that's really a memorandum of understanding- Why JD Vance looks set up to take the fall if it collapses- What we actually know (and don't) about who's in charge in Tehran- Pew Research's nine political "types" and the death of simple red vs. blue- Taking the typology quiz live — and Sarah's and Beth's results- The progressive litmus test and the voters Democrats leave on the table- A rule for bedtime: don't stay up for anything you wouldn't wake at 5 a.m. to doTook the Pew quiz and want to compare results with people who think about this as hard as you do? That conversation is happening in our premium community at pantsuitpoliticsshow.com. Go to ⁠groundnews.com/pantsuit⁠ for 40% off the unlimited access Vantage plan. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The country got an invitation to its own 250th birthday and hesitated — do we even feel like celebrating right now? Sarah and Beth make the case that the answer is yes, and not in spite of how hard things are but because of it. A milestone is a chance to take stock and tell the most honest version of the story we can, regardless of what the loudest and most cynical voices do. Topics discussed:- Why celebrating America's 250th feels awkward this year- The America250 commission vs. Trump's separate "Freedom 250" / White House rally- What the 1976 Bicentennial actually got right- The military's place in the anniversary — a component, not the centerpiece- Holding patriotism and clear-eyed honesty about the country's failures at the same time- America's Potluck and celebrating at the level of your own town and table- Outside Politics: naming your "mom aesthetic"We're celebrating all month on Substack — news briefs reported live from 1776 on Good Morning, and Founding Father karaoke on More to Say. Join us at pantsuitpoliticsshow.com. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

SpaceX's IPO begins trading today, with OpenAI and Anthropic close behind. The rules of going public seem to be changing by the day. We talk about why this IPO matters to all of us and the Bernie Sanders proposal for the public to take a stake in AI companies. Outside of politics, a halfway-through-2026 check-in on our words of the year (which we had fully forgotten, if that tells you anything!). Topics Discussed:- The SpaceX IPO and its red flags- What going public is supposed to mean — and what it means here- How index funds could put SpaceX in your retirement account whether you choose it or not- President Trump's June 2 executive order on AI and cybersecurity- Senator Sanders' proposal for a 50% public stake in AI companies- The EU's risk-based approach to AI regulation- Outside of Politics: words of the year, half-time reportWant Beth's Founders' Trunk — six family stories to celebrate America250? Download it free as a premium member at pantsuitpoliticsshow.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The headlines about this job market are frightening, and the advice often feels contradictory, particularly for young people. Sarah sits down with professor Kim Miller — who taught both of us at Transylvania — to talk honestly about what is actually happening and what you can do about it. We cover negotiation, the power of real relationships, and how to make yourself ready for opportunities you can't yet see.Topics discussed:• Why the job market feels so chaotic right now: AI, economic uncertainty, mass layoffs, and even retirees re-entering the workforce• Negotiation as the skill nobody teaches you — and why it matters more than ever• Building relationships instead of "networking," and graduating with at least one good mentor• Getting work experience before you graduate, paid or unpaid• How to handle a job offer: asking for 48 hours and negotiating beyond base salary• Outside of Politics: Sarah opens Meander Bookshop in Paducah For exclusive episodes, America250 celebrations, and more, join us at pantsuitpoliticsshow.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This week's primary results gave Democrats and independents a few reasons to pay attention — and behind closed doors, the Republican caucus is finally showing some friction. Beth and Sarah go deep on Delaney Hall, a Newark ICE detention facility where protests are escalating, lawsuits are piling up, and conditions are becoming impossible to ignore. Outside of politics, what we're doing with our "time confetti." Topics discussed:• Primary results in California, New Jersey, New Mexico, Iowa, South Dakota, and Montana• Republican caucus friction: the anti-weaponization fund, Todd Blanche's AG nomination, and Bill Pulte as acting DNI• Delaney Hall ICE detention facility in Newark• New Jersey's lawsuit against the GEO Group and escalating protests• The civil (not criminal) nature of ICE detention• Immigration reform proposals• Outside of Politics: using wait time for fictionWant to be in a hotel full of Pantsuit Politics listeners this summer? The deadline to book in Minneapolis is one week away — find everything you need at https://www.pantsuitpoliticsshow.com/p/join-us-in-minneapolis-94f. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Graham Platner is running for Senate in Maine and trailing a string of controversies — a tattoo with Nazi-era symbolism, old Reddit posts, and now a Wall Street Journal exposé on explicit texts with multiple women. Sarah and Beth use his candidacy as a lens on what we actually want from politicians: how normal is too normal, what "progressive vs. moderate" names and misses, and whether emotional maturity is a reasonable standard to hold. Plus: a new Instagram obsession and significant news about changes at Pantsuit Politics.Topics discussed:- Graham Platner and the Maine Senate race- Political scandals and changing voter tolerance- "Normie" politicians and the unapologetic posture in American life- Progressive vs. moderate framing in the Democratic Party- What we actually need from candidates: policy, biography, communication style- Emotional maturity as a political standard- Partisan identity and double standards - Bronte the Stylist on Instagram- Team changes at Pantsuit Politics Celebrate America250 with us at pantsuitpolitics.substack.com. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

On today's Pantsuit Politics: Ken Paxton defeats John Cornyn by 28 points — the widest primary margin against a sitting senator in nearly 50 years — and we dig into what it means for the Senate map and the midterms. Plus a redistricting roundup from South Carolina, Alabama, and Florida. And Outside of Politics: summer movies, from Project Hail Mary to The Odyssey to The Mandalorian & Grogu (the popcorn was excellent). Ready to go deeper? Check out https://www.pantsuitpoliticsshow.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Over the weekend, I started a “lessons learned” Google doc. I love the stark, in-your-face, no-hedging clarity that comes from a bullet point list: “Here are the words that distill years or months of experiences, emotions, decisions, triumphs, and set-backs.”  That energy seems to be in the air as Memorial Day unofficially kicks off summer. Pope Leo has distilled his thoughts on the dignity of humans. The public at-large seems to be with him on the indecency and foolishness of war. Universities and schools are changing policies in light of lessons learned, and people running for office are asking what we want our literal lessons to be.  Sarah and I discuss the headlines and the lessons we’re learning about school as parents and from teachers. Then, we end in the only way a podcast kicking off summer should: with an ode to ice cream. - Beth Topics Discussed: Texas Senate Primary Iran War Pope Leo and Human Dignity Tulsi Gabbard Resigns Education Policy Outside of Politics: Ice Cream Ready to go deeper? Visit ⁠⁠⁠our website⁠⁠⁠ for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, chats, and more. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Beth’s daughter, Ellen, asked why our books aren’t on the bestseller list, and honestly? Great question, Ellen. That one question opens up the whole can of worms today: how popular consensus gets manufactured — from the mysterious black box of the New York Times bestseller list to music catalogs being protected like the financial assets they literally are, to the Vulture piece that confirmed what I’ve suspected for a while now, which is that nothing on your social media feed is actually organic. We also wade into the Michael Jackson biopic, which I have real feelings about, and we end in a much better place, talking about songs that have nothing to do with romantic love. I am warning you now that I cannot discuss Brandi Carlile without crying, so just be ready for that. — Sarah Topics Discussed Cultural Consensus and Its Impact Art, Trust, and Marketing in the Digital Age Outside of Politics: Nonlove Songs Ready to go deeper? Visit ⁠⁠our website⁠⁠ for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, chats, and more. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Trump's China trip barely makes a headline, a $1.7 billion taxpayer-funded slush fund raises alarms, and we check in on where we're really at with AI — as users, as parents, and as small business owners trying to keep up. Topics Discussed: Trump Goes to China The AI Backlash Outside of Politics: The Goldilocks Summer Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, chats, and more. Get 50% Off Monarch, the all-in-one financial tool at www.monarch.com/pantsuit Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

As Lt. Gov. Jacqueline Coleman launches her run for governor of Kentucky, we were honored to sit down with her and discuss her path to public service and hopes for the future of Kentucky. Ready to go deeper? Visit ⁠⁠our website⁠⁠ for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, chats, and more. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This weekend, the Virginia Supreme Court struck down the voter-approved congressional maps, while the Tennessee legislature eliminated its only Democratic Congressional District — but Sarah and Beth think despondence is the wrong response. Then they break down Trump's increasingly tangled Iran situation, why declaring victory and walking away might be the best bad option on the table, and what Ukraine's quiet battlefield gains reveal what America's absence on the world stage costs. Then, Sarah and Beth discuss what it means when marriage and family become a luxury — and whether the way we talk about life is making the problem worse. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The Fifth Circuit ruled again on mifepristone and the legal, political, and medical mess that followed is anything but settled. Sarah and Beth break down what Louisiana's "sovereign injury" theory means for mail-access abortion pills, why "leave it to the states" was never a real answer, and where the Republican Party goes from here on an issue Donald Trump desperately wants to avoid. Then, inspired by this week's Pulitzer announcements, they share the pieces of journalism they've never been able to forget. Topics Discussed Mifepristone, the Courts, and the Mail Trump, the GOP, and the Abortion Trap Outside of Politics: Our Personal Pulitzers Ready to go deeper? Visit ⁠our website⁠ for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, chats, and more. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Sarah and Beth break down the Supreme Court's decision gutting the Voting Rights Act and what it means for the gerrymandering arms race reshaping our electoral map. They check on Trump's promises to lower prices and fix our fiscal house. Outside of Politics, prom season has them asking whether we've over-structured — or under-structured — life for our kids. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Rahm Emanuel came ready to talk — and y'all, we were ready. This conversation covers the education crisis in America (which I don’t think a single person in this audience needs to be convinced about), what Mississippi actually did to turn things around, why Rahm closed schools in Chicago and would do it again, and what a real federal education strategy could look like. We also got into fiscal reality, political will, phones in classrooms, the debt we owe to community colleges, and whether the next president should come in like FDR or like a triage nurse. Plus: Rahm's near-death experience at 17, coffee in bed, and empty nest advice. — Sarah Topics Discussed The Education Crisis: Why We Know What to Do and Won’t Do It (science of reading, phonics, the Mississippi Marathon) High School Reform, Community Colleges, and the “Learn, Plan, Succeed” Framework Phones, Screens, and What We’ve Abdicated to the Algorithm School Closures, Political Will, and Owning Tough Decisions Outside of Politics: Swimming, Coffee in Bed, and Raising Boys Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, chats, and more. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Sarah and Beth respond to the shooting at the White House Correspondents' Dinner, examining what it — alongside a pervasive anti-authority mood across American life — reveals about the state of our social contract. Outside of Politics, they reflect on Spotify's 20th anniversary list of its all-time most-streamed artists and songs. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

What does it mean to truly value free speech? Sarah and Beth discuss the controversy around Sharon McMahon speaking at Utah Valley University, the EO designating Antifa as a domestic terrorist organization, and more. Plus, what leisure activities are actually worth it? Topics Discussed: Sharon McMahon and Utah Valley University  The Antifa Executive Order  The Prairieland Nine prosecution  Chip Roy’s MAMDANI Act  The Southern Poverty Law Center indictment  Cancel culture and the criminalization of speech  Outside of Politics: Leisure - what we regret and what we happily pay for Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, chats, and more. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Sarah and Beth unpack the bombshell New York Times investigation linking the shadow docket to Chief Justice John Roberts, assess the erratic messaging around day 53 of the war in Iran, and close with reflections on what a week out West in the national parks can do for your spirit. Topics Discussed: The Roberts Court and the Shadow Docket Day 53 of the War in Iran: The Commander-in-Chief Question Section 702 and FISA Outside of Politics: Big Skies and Big Silence for Spring Break Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, chats, and more. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We spent Tuesday’s episode talking about headline national and global news, and it felt pretty bleak. Today, we’re zooming in on a bright spot, New York City, and asking what we can learn from Mayor Zohran Mamdani as he crosses the first-100-days milestone. Mamdani was hailed as a unique political talent on the campaign trail. We’re interested in how that star power translates to political power and how the Mayor has pivoted from campaign to service. His initial path tells a compelling story about what Democratic Socialism might mean in practice and where the dividing lines actually are in the Democratic Party. Any way around it, Mayor Mamdani’s “pothole politics” are a stark and welcome contrast to what we see in Washington D.C. Outside of politics, we consider the call for parents to hold hands and agree that we’ll all do less together. From Maycember sprawl to spirit week standards to the charcuterization of everything, we sort out what we’re doing and why. -Beth Topics Discussed: Zohran Mamdani’s 100 Days: Pothole Politics and What Democratic Socialism Looks Like in Practice The Affordability + Corruption + Service Formula — A Democratic Blueprint? Navigating the Coalition: Mamdani, Trump, Hochul, and the Art of Getting Things Done Outside of Politics: Maycember and the Case for Parents to Just… Stop Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, chats, and more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Sarah and Beth return from spring break to catch up on a packed news week — from Eric Swalwell's campaign collapse and the stalled Iran negotiations, to Melania's surprise press conference, Hungary's historic election upset, and the triumphant return of the Artemis II crew. Topics Discussed: Less Eric Swalwell (California) and More Rob Sand (Iowa) Pakistan Negotiates Iran “Ceasefire” while Congress sits on its hands Melania Trump’s Press Conference JD Vance’s Losing Streak in Iran and Hungary Outside of Politics: Artemis II Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, chats, and more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Aaron Barrett shares his inspiring journey through baseball, including his battles with Tommy John surgery, resilience, and his new role as a manager. He offers insights into player development, the demands of professional baseball, and leadership lessons. Topics Discussed: Aaron Barrett on Baseball, Resilience, and Protecting Players Outside of Politics: Who’s Calling Balls and Strikes? Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, chats, and more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Jason Kander joins Pantsuit Politics to break down Missouri's redistricting fight and what Democrats need to do to win in 2026 and beyond — including why the party needs to stop running on familiar ideas and start offering something genuinely new. Topics Discussed: Will Missouri Voters Veto Partisan Redistricting? What Democrats need to win elections in 2026 and beyond Outside of Politics: Kansas City Stadiums Explaine Join our Good Neighbor T-Shirt Contest! Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, chats, and more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Before we head out on spring break, we need to let off some steam. Today's episode is a moment of catharsis about just a few of the things President Trump, his administration, and Congress are screwing up right now.  Topics Discussed: The DHS Funding Standoff: Right Back Where We Started Donald Trump’s Primetime Speech on Iran The Corruption Is the Point: Coins, Pardons, and a $1.4B Year Outside of Politics: The Best Long Weekend Setup Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, chats, and more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Sarah and Beth catch up on the headlines — from the ongoing war in Iran and global energy disruptions to congressional gridlock — before diving into a conversation on punishment and accountability through two recent cases: an elderly driver who killed a family of four in San Francisco and two teenagers sentenced for creating AI-generated nude images of classmates. Outside of Politics, they answer a listener's question on whether they believe in karma. Topics Discussed: Iran and the Energy Crisis Punishment and Accountability Outside of Politics: Karma is a Vibe Join us in Minneapolis for our live show this August! Tickets are on sale now! Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, chats, and more. Thanks to our sponsor: Get 50% off Monarch, the all-in-one financial tool, at www.monarch.com/pantsuit. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

When we look at the news right now — Iran, the airports, the corruption, the measles — it's tempting to decide none of it matters because, individually, we can't fix any of it. Nihilism is tempting, and we talk about how sometimes nihilism represents pride, but maybe in the right dose, it’s more like humility. Either way, “nothing matters” is being proven wrong every day. Special elections are producing surprising results. Courts are holding tech companies accountable. And people are figuring it out when institutions fail (I’m especially moved by the story of an underground railroad set up to bring Ukrainian children home from Russia). I say in this episode that my emotional cocktail has a splash of nihilism in it. But the main ingredient is my conviction that our attention and our care and our efforts make a difference.  Plus: please clap for my favorite segue in the history of Pantsuit Politics. From: “perhaps we aren’t sleepwalking into a dystopian nightmare” to “are we in a smut renaissance?” facilitated by the shelving of an erotic chatbot. If this doesn’t end your Friday with joy, I don’t know what will. -Beth   Topics Discussed: Nihilism is Having A Moment  Signs of Hope Outside of Politics: Smut Renaissance Join us in Minneapolis for our live show this August! Tickets are on sale now! Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, chats, and more. Thanks to our sponsor: Save 20% Off Honeylove by going to Custom URL: https://www.honeylove.com/PANTSUIT #honeylovepod #ad See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Sarah sits down with Isaac Saul, founder of Tangle News, a daily newsletter that breaks down major political stories from across the ideological spectrum all in one place. Topics Discussed: News, Journalism, Influencers, and Commentary in the Age of Trump Outside of Politics: Navigating Early Parenthood Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, chats, and more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Sarah and Beth discuss Markwayne Mullin's confirmation hearing as well as the housing crisis in America and the new legislation aimed at solving it. Plus, outside of politics, they phone a friend to talk about her recent experience with colorectal cancer.  Topics Discussed: DHS Nominee Markwayne Mullin Confirmation Hearing Housing in America Outside of Politics: Colorectal Cancer Awareness with Jessica Lotz Join us in Minneapolis for our live show this August! Tickets are on sale now! Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, chats, and more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Sarah and Beth take stock of Robert F. Kennedy Jr.'s first year leading the Department of Health and Human Services — from purging vaccine experts, gutting public comment rules, the growing measles outbreak, and what it all means for the future of American public health. Outside of politics: Sarah's annual Oscar recap! Topics Discussed: RFK Jr Guts Public Health Outside of Politics: Our Annual Oscars Recap Join us in Minneapolis for our live show this August! Tickets are on sale now! Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, chats, and more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Sarah and Beth process the escalating war in Iran, then turn closer to home to discuss America's car accident crisis and the Hyacinth Fellowship — an organization supporting people who have unintentionally killed someone on the road. Outside of politics, they dig into parenting styles and how to strike the Goldilocks balance of authoritative parenting. Topics Discussed: Iran: The Costs We Can’t Undo Fatal Car Accidents: The Trauma Nobody Talks About Outside of Politics: Why Your Kids Need Rules, Not Just Love Join us in Minneapolis for our live show this August! Tickets are on sale now! Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, chats, and more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Beth is joined by Rep. Greg Landsman to discuss the role of Congress, the decision to strike Iran, and why we need a Department of AI. Plus, they check in on their New Year's resolutions.  Topics Discussed: What "being done" looks like and whether that's realistic with this president The difference between Iran and what's happening in Venezuela and Cuba Congress's role in military action and Landsman's 30-day War Powers Resolution Whether the 2026 midterms can actually constrain this administration The Anthropic/Department of Defense standoff and why Landsman wants a Department of AI New Year's resolution check-ins (gluten-free life, no-shopping challenges, and sleep studies) Join us in Minneapolis for our live show this August! Tickets go on sale to premium members today (Tuesday, March 10) at 12pm EST and to the general public on Thursday, March 12 at 12pm EST. You will receive the link to purchase tickets directly if you are subscribed to Substack. If you aren’t subscribed, you can check our main page to see that post at the appointed time. Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, chats, and more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Sarah and Beth are joined by expert Kerry Anderson to discuss what's happening in Iran, US and Israeli objectives, regional implications, and potential pathways for regime change and stability.  Topics Discussed: What are the objectives in Iran?  Is regime change likely?  What might happen throughout the Middle East because of this war?  Will this war make the people of Iran better off?  Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, chats, and more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Sarah and Beth mark the fourth anniversary of Russia's invasion of Ukraine, examining the staggering human cost of the war, what it reveals about the changing nature of modern warfare, and whether America's military is prepared for the conflicts ahead. Outside of politics, they share their philosophies on high heels. Topics Discussed: Four Years into Russia’s Invasion of Ukraine The Changing Nature of War Outside of Politics: Listener Question: High Heels? Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, chats, and more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Sarah and Beth react to Trump's State of the Union address, Governor Abigail Spanberger's response, and what it all signals for 2028. Outside of politics, they turn inward and share their experience with Dan Pink's AI-powered self-reflection exercise. Topics Discussed: Trump’s State of the Union Looking Ahead to 2028 Outside of Politics: Brutal Truths from AI Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, chats, and more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The Supreme Court ruled 6-3 that the International Emergency Economic Powers Act does not give President Trump the authority to impose sweeping global tariffs. Sarah and Beth discuss how the tariff case is just one piece of a bigger and more troubling economic picture: a weakening dollar, a bond market under pressure, and a private credit sector showing signs of serious stress. Plus, Beth has finally watched The Pitt, and she and Sarah make the case that an emergency room drama might be exactly what America needs right now. Topics Discussed: The Supreme Court says Trump’s Tariffs are Illegal Economic Indicators are Changing Outside of Politics: The Pitt Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, chats, and more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

There’s a theme in today’s episode of holding the breath, which is something I’ve been doing about unrest and possible US military action in Iran. Sarah and I discuss reporting that the administration seems increasingly likely to take what they term “kinetic” action (and what Reps. Ro Khanna and Thomas Massie and Senators Tim Kaine and Rand Paul would call acts of war).  Then there’s the way that our guest and friend Natalia Terfa describes holding her breath in Minneapolis. Even as Operation Metro Surge “winds down,” there are still agents and agitators. There is still fear and tension. There is damage left to repair after “it’s over,” and a sense that it’s not really over yet. We’re grateful to Natalia for her leadership on the ground and her willingness to discuss it with us today.  We often talk about outside of politics as an exhale, and we hope it is today. We talk about our very-non-sports-y Winter Olympics takes, with a special shout out to all of you who participated in the Spice Cabinet Opening Ceremonies.  If you’ve listened for a long time, you know that I love yoga. One of my favorite parts of a yoga class is taking a collective breath. It reminds me that we’re here. We’re alive, right now, and that’s its own form of miracle. It reminds me that we’re not alone. I hope this episode gives you that sense, too. -Beth  Topics Discussed: Unrest in Iran and Potential Military Action  On the Ground in Minneapolis with Natalia Terfa Outside of Politics: The Winter Olympics Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, chats, and more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We’re sharing today’s good news brief with all of our followers. Join us every Thursday for more good news with Sarah. You can subscribe to PantsuitPoliticsShow.com Good morning, friends. It’s Thursday, February 19th — the Good News Brief. And since we were hard on AI this week, I thought we should remind ourselves that AI is also quietly doing something extraordinary: remaking the future of human medicine. Today’s stories are a mix of awe and genuine hope.   See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Today, we're discussing the latest instance of large companies pre-emptively caving to the Trump Administration: Stephen Colbert's blocked interview with Texas Senate candidate James Tallarico. With that backdrop, the House of Representatives passed the SAVE America Act, which would require proof of citizenship to register to vote. Sarah and Beth discuss why this is a conversation about voter suppression disguised as election integrity. Next, we discuss the standoff between Anthropic and the Department of Defense over the use of Claude in military operations and domestic surveillance. Outside of politics, Sarah and Beth answer a listener's question about astrology and what it means to hold those frameworks loosely in an age of data and critical thinking. Topics Discussed The Save America Act Artificial Intelligence Overwhelm  Outside of Politics: Astrology and Tarot Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, chats, and more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

When every moment could become viral fodder, what's the cost of just living your life? Sarah and Beth examine several recent news stories that address this question of privacy and surveillance. Plus, First Ladies Abby Cox and Joanna Lydgate join to discuss political violence and the mental toll of public service. Plus, outside of politics, they express finding validation away from the obsequiousness of artificial intelligence.  Topics Discussed The Glare of the Internet’s Spotlight First Ladies Abby Cox and Joanna Lydgate on Political Violence  Moment of Hope: Cecilia Giménez and the Monkey Jesus Fresco Outside of Politics: Alexa Updates Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, chats, and more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

With the proliferation of prediction markets, we're sharing this premium episode of More to Say from January with the full audience. We hope this helps you understand better what's happening in this industry and why it matters.  If you enjoy this episode, we'd love for you to join us on Substack as a premium member. Go to pantsuitpoliticsshow.com for a written version of this episode (available for free) and to become a subscriber.  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Sarah and Beth discuss President Trump's racist meme-posting and why it's landing differently this time. Next, we contrast that with Bad Bunny's Super Bowl halftime show. Plus, we discuss elite incompetence at institutions like the Washington Post, the latest Epstein file releases, Super Bowl ads, and a little football. Topics Discussed President Trump Shares a Racist Meme Bad Bunny’s Super Bowl Halftime Show The Washington Post layoffs and Bezos’s priorities The Epstein files illustrate a moral bankruptcy Outside of Politics: The Super Bowl commercials (and a little football) Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, chats, and more. Get 50% Off Monarch, the all-in-one financial tool at www.monarch.com/pantsuit. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Sarah and Beth dig into why China suddenly feels both harder to understand and more important to pay attention to — from Xi Jinping's latest purges of military leadership to what his consolidating power means for the U.S. They also sit down with veteran journalist Jane Perlez to discuss what Americans get wrong about China. Plus, they talk about where they would hypothetically set up Pantsuit Politics International. Topics Discussed What We’re Missing On China Jane Perlez on Trade, President Xi, and the Future of China Outside of Politics: Pantsuit Politics International Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, chats, and more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Today we're discussing rampant corruption and speculation in the Trump administration. From UAE interests investing in Trump companies days before his second inauguration, apparent payment for pardons, and Amazon's outsized investment and promotion in the Melania "documentary." We also discuss the ways that Federal Courts are pushing back on ICE enforcement throughout the US. Tickets for our Minneapolis live show and first-ever Spice Conference go on sale soon! Details here Topics Discussed UAE Corruption Scandal Bitcoin, Chips, and Pardons Federal Courts vs. ICE Outside of Politics: The Grammys Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, chats, and more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We're delighted to be joined by Senator Andy Kim to discuss what Congress can and should be doing to respond to the nation's current crises. Plus, we discuss the need for accountability, the importance of community engagement, and the impact of corruption on our governmental systems. Outside of politics, you won't want to miss hearing about the Senator's many delightful hobbies.  Topics Discussed Senator Andy Kim on the Role of Congress Outside of Politics: Movies, Music, and Bagels Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, chats, and more. We're preparing for our 2026 Team Retreat. Please help us get ready by filling out this quick survey See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This weekend has shaken us deeply. We talk about the fatal shooting of Alex Pretti by federal agents in Minneapolis, the detention of children as young as two and five years old, and the protests erupting across Minnesota in sub-zero temperatures. We're struggling with the distance between what we can see with our own eyes and what the administration is telling us, and wrestling with the question of where we go from here. Topics Discussed Alex Pretti Shot By ICE Agents in Minneapolis Greed, Corruption, and Show Running in the Trump Administration Outside of Politics: Cultivating and Nurturing Online Communities Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, chats, and more. We're preparing for our 2026 Team Retreat. Please help us get ready by filling out this quick survey Get 50% Off Monarch, the all-in-one financial tool at www.monarch.com/pantsuit. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This week has been emotionally exhausting, and we're feeling it too. We talk about what's been broken and lost domestically due to ICE actions in Minnesota and internationally due to President Trump's desire to acquire Greenland. We are asking ourselves how we build something more stable on the other side of all of this, whenever that comes. We want to be ready build coalitions and make changes that actually last. Topics Discussed ICE Continues to Escalate in Minnesota Greenland, Davos, and the Rupturing of the International Order Outside of Politics: The Incoming Winter Storm Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, chats, and more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Why does support for Israel fuel antisemitism on the right, while criticism of Israel fuels it on the left? The Atlantic's Yair Rosenberg returns to explain what he calls the "no-win dynamic" of prejudice—where any argument can be twisted to justify hatred. Sarah and Beth talk with Yair about his recent research revealing a surprising generational shift: younger Americans are significantly more likely to express antisemitic views than older generations, and age matters more than political party. He unpacks why this is happening—from the fading memory of World War II to the culture of edginess and transgression online—and explains why it's so hard to distinguish "a punchline from a punch." The conversation also moves beyond Israel as symbol to Israel as actual country, exploring the upcoming election, Netanyahu's grip on power, the internal battles over university diversity programs and film funding, and why understanding these complexities matters for productive conversations about the Middle East. Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, chats, and more. If you're not already subscribed, you can use this link to ensure you're getting our show notes, weekly newsletter, and more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

As things continue to escalate in Minneapolis, Sarah and Beth discuss their concerns about what the administration's actions portend. Plus, they discuss how Fed Chair Jerome Powell is pushing back as the administration targets him. For our America250 moment, they are reflecting on Common Sense by Thomas Paine and, outside of politics, they discuss 2026 predicted food trends.  Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, chats, and more. If you're not already subscribed, you can use this link to ensure you're getting our show notes, weekly newsletter, and more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Sarah and Beth are joined by Elizabeth Oldfield, writer and host of The Sacred. We know the headlines are heavy this week, and Elizabeth has made a career of considering how we can stay engaged and grounded in these turbulent times. Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, chats, and more. If you're not already subscribed, you can use this link to ensure you're getting our show notes, weekly newsletter, and more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Sarah and Beth are together to discuss the tragic death of Renee Good in Minneapolis. They process the news, work through their feelings, discuss the unacceptable response from the administration and other elected leaders, and reflect on how the administration’s choices created the circumstances for this event. Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, chats, and more. If you're not already subscribed, you can use this link to ensure you're getting our show notes, weekly newsletter, and more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Welcome to our first new episode of 2026. We're thrilled to be back with you to process and discuss the news. Topics Discussed The United States Removes Venezuelan President Maduro in "Police" Action America 250: George Washington and Smallpox Superflu, Whooping Cough, and Measles Outside of Politics: Wishes for 2026 Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, chats, and more. If you're not already subscribed, you can use this link to ensure you're getting our show notes, weekly newsletter, and more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

As our team takes time off for the holidays, we are sharing the conversations Sarah and Beth had this year about Habits of the Heart. This final episode originally aired in December for our premium members on Substack. Whether you’re also taking a well-deserved break, spending time with family, or just looking for something meaningful to listen to, we hope you’ll join us to revisit (or enjoy for the first time!) this thoughtful exploration from Sarah and Beth of this powerful, prescient book. Beth subtitled this section, “Good Luck, Babes.” They talk about the problem of individualism, how we need to make not just a good life, but a good society, why we need to argue more, and the struggle in realizing that nothing systemic can save us from personal suffering. Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, chats, and more. If you're not already subscribed, you can use this link to ensure you're getting our show notes, weekly newsletter, and more.  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

As our team takes time off for the holidays, we are sharing the conversations Sarah and Beth had this year about Habits of the Heart. This third episode originally aired in September for our premium members on Substack. Whether you’re also taking a well-deserved break, spending time with family, or just looking for something meaningful to listen to, we hope you’ll join us to revisit (or enjoy for the first time!) this thoughtful exploration from Sarah and Beth of this powerful, prescient book. In this episode, they get into the different types of citizens laid out in the book, Beth’s dreaded “swooping,” the role of religion in public life, and what it truly means to care. Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, chats, and more. If you're not already subscribed, you can use this link to ensure you're getting our show notes, weekly newsletter, and more.  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

As our team takes time off for the holidays, we are sharing the conversations Sarah and Beth had this year about Habits of the Heart. This second episode originally aired in May for our premium members on Substack. Whether you’re also taking a well-deserved break, spending time with family, or just looking for something meaningful to listen to, we hope you’ll join us to revisit (or enjoy for the first time!) this thoughtful exploration from Sarah and Beth of this powerful, prescient book. In this episode, they discuss the value of doing things in community, the social construct of marriage, the authors’ disdain for therapeutic culture, and the structures of friendship. Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, chats, and more. If you're not already subscribed, you can use this link to ensure you're getting our show notes, weekly newsletter, and more.  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

As our team takes time off for the holidays, we are sharing the conversations Sarah and Beth had this year about Habits of the Heart. This first episode originally aired in February for our premium members on Substack. Whether you’re also taking a well-deserved break, spending time with family, or just looking for something meaningful to listen to, we hope you’ll join us to revisit (or enjoy for the first time!) this thoughtful exploration from Sarah and Beth of this powerful, prescient book. In this episode, they discuss the introductory, and imagine where the authors would push them, and investigate what the meaning of “the pursuit of happiness” was to the founders in comparison to how we define it now. Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, chats, and more. If you're not already subscribed, you can use this link to ensure you're getting our show notes, weekly newsletter, and more.  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Here we are at the end of another year. Today, we're looking ahead to 2026: our expectations for the year, what we're looking forward to, and what our words of the year are.  Topics Discussed Predictions and Expectations for 2026  Good Things to Look Forward to in 2026 Outside of Politics: 2026 Words of the Year Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, chats, and more. If you're not already subscribed, you can use this link to ensure you're getting our show notes, weekly newsletter, and more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Sarah and Beth are looking back on 2025: what was hard, what was surprising, and what went well. Topics Discussed What Happened in 2025: The Second Trump Administration Positive Stories from Around the World What Would We Tell Ourselves in January 2025 Outside of Politics: Favorite Books of the Year Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, chats, and more. If you're not already subscribed, you can use this link to ensure you're getting our show notes, weekly newsletter, and more.  Get 50% Off Monarch, the all-in-one financial tool at www.monarch.com/pantsuit. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Not many would argue that empathy is one of this administration's strengths. Sarah and Beth talk about the role of empathy in our politics - both when it is a gift and when it is a burden.  Topics Discussed Venezuelan Boat Strikes The Empathy Debate Outside of Politics: Our Favorite Movies & TV of 2025 Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, chats, and more. If you're not already subscribed, you can use this link to ensure you're getting our show notes, weekly newsletter, and more.  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Sarah and Beth discuss Netflix's bid to buy Warner Bros., our algorithmic economy, and Sean Duffy's airport fashion advice. Topics Discussed The Netflix, Warner Bros., Paramount Love Triangle The Algorithmic Economy Outside of Politics: Sean Duffy wants you to look nice when you fly Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, chats, and more. If you're not already subscribed, you can use this link to ensure you're getting our show notes, weekly newsletter, and more.  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Sarah and Beth talk with Simon Bazelon, one of the authors of Deciding to Win, a report focused on how Democrats can strengthen their electoral chances moving forward. This is a wonderful, pragmatic conversation about what that will take. Then, outside of politics, they discuss food for Christmas Day. Topics Discussed Simon Bazelon on How Democrats Can Win Outside of Politics: Christmas Day Food Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, chats, and more. If you're not already subscribed, you can use this link to ensure you're getting our show notes, weekly newsletter, and more.  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Today, Sarah and Beth discuss Marjorie Taylor Greene's dramatic exit from Congress and what that says about the current state of our nation. Then Julie K Brown, the Miami Herald investigative reporter who wrote the book on Jeffrey Epstein, joins Sarah and Beth to discuss her latest reporting and what happens next with the Epstein files.  Topics Discussed Marjorie Taylor Greene walks away from Congress What Everyone Gets Wrong about the Epstein Files with Julie K Brown Outside of Politics: Holiday Traditions for Big Kids Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, chats, and more. If you're not already subscribed, you can use this link to ensure you're getting our show notes, weekly newsletter, and more.  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Here at Pantsuit Politics, we wanted to approach our gratitude a little differently this year. We reached out to a bunch of people in our community and asked them to do that with us. What you’ll hear today are members of our team, listeners like you, some friends of the show, and many of the guests we had on throughout this year sharing the absolute smallest things they are thankful for. What we got is a beautiful mix of poignant, funny, heartfelt, and honest answers. If you’ve never watched us on video, this episode is a great one to do so. It’s so fun to see everyone’s faces and spaces as they share what they are grateful for. Plus, Studio D was kind enough to work with me to put everyone’s names on the video as well, in case you don’t recognize them on voices alone. We’d love to know the smallest thing you are grateful for as well. We’ve made the Substack comments open to everyone for this episode, so make sure to share your small gratitude there. Our team is, today and always, grateful for each and every one of you who make our work possible. Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, chats and more. If you're not already subscribed, you can use this link to ensure you're getting our show notes, weekly newsletter, and more.  Get 50% Off Monarch, the all-in-one financial tool at www.monarch.com/pantsuit. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We are honored to have author Diana Carlin with us today to talk about the role of First Lady — both in its history and the modern approach our recent and current First Ladies have taken. Plus, outside of politics, Sarah and Beth share their Thanksgiving must-haves. Topics Discussed First Ladies Past and Present with Diana Carlin Outside of Politics: Thanksgiving Favorites Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, chats and more. If you're not already subscribed, you can use this link to ensure you're getting our show notes, weekly newsletter, and more.  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Sarah and Beth discuss the news of the week and the increasing prices across the economy. Topics Discussed: ICE Operations in Charlotte, NC Mohammed bin Salman Al Saud at the White House  Congress Votes to Force Release of Epstein Files Pricing Increases and Import Decreases Outside of Politics: Moving Forward After Grief Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, chats and more. If you're not already subscribed, you can use this link to ensure you're getting our show notes, weekly newsletter, and more.  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In today's new episode, Sarah and Beth discuss the rapid decline of drinking in the US and what that means for our relationships, our economy, and our politics. Topics Discussed The Decline of Drinking in the US Outside of Politics: How do I ask my neighbor to stop smoking? Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, chats and more. If you're not already subscribed, you can use this link to ensure you're getting our show notes, weekly newsletter, and more.  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Health insurance premiums are skyrocketing this year. Understanding why pulls in a multitude of topics: aging populations, expensive new drugs and treatments, rising costs across sectors, the consolidated profit layers baked into our system, and more. Sarah and Beth untangle why and how we got here, what's actually driving costs, and why the solution is not as simple as wishing for a universal healthcare fix. Plus: why everyone seems so angry about everything.  Topics Discussed No Dumb Questions About Health Insurance Why Premiums Are Skyrocketing Insurance as Financial Security vs. Healthcare Solution Outside of Politics: Customer Service and Community Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, chats and more. If you're not already subscribed, you can use this link to ensure you're getting our show notes, weekly newsletter, and more.  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Sarah and Beth discuss the priorities of the Trump Administration in the face of the longest government shutdown in history, the negotiations between eight Democratic senators and Republicans to reopen the government, and the ways the shutdown is impacting air travel as the holidays approach. Topics Discussed The Trump Administration’s Shutdown Priorities: Coins, Renovations, Pardons, and Cutting SNAP Benefits The Senate Plan to Reopen the Government The Generational Impact of the Air Traffic Controller Strike Outside of Politics: Getting Ready for the Holidays Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, chats and more. If you're not already subscribed, you can use this link to ensure you're getting our show notes, weekly newsletter, and more.  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We're joined by Governor Gretchen Whitmer of Michigan to talk about this week's election results, her work in Michigan, our current political moment, and her beloved Detroit Lions. Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, chats and more. If you're not already subscribed, you can use this link to ensure you're getting our show notes, weekly newsletter, and more.  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Note: This week, we’re sharing the spicy bonus episode with all our subscribers - free and paid. If you’re a free subscriber, we hope you enjoy this preview. These are the types of robust, free-flowing conversations we’re sharing every Thursday for paid subscribers. We hope you’ll consider joining us as a paid subscriber so you can enjoy all our premium content, access the comments and community, and support our small business. On this week’s spicy bonus episode, Sarah and Beth discuss the encouraging election results from around the country. They discuss Nancy Pelosi’s announced retirement and how this administration is leaving so many missed opportunities on the table. This could have been a time of real change, but, instead, they are just breaking things. Speaking of breaking things, the political right is facing a real breakdown within its ranks. There’s a real divide happening. All this, plus the desire to do real work and be connected with each other, and the difference between virtue and moralizing. It’s all here in one of our characteristically wide-ranging episodes. *This episode is explicit. Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, chats and more. If you're not already subscribed, you can use this link to ensure you're getting our show notes, weekly newsletter, and more.  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Rep. Sarah McBride, who represents the entire state of Delaware, joins us to talk about her experience in Congress, the stakes of the shutdown, working with her colleagues across the aisle, and her connection to Taylor Swift. It's a fabulous conversation you won't want to miss.  Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, chats and more. If you're not already subscribed, you can use this link to ensure you're getting our show notes, weekly newsletter, and more.  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Today, we're talking about the spookiest thing we can think of: the economy. The stock market is up in 2025, but the gains are concentrated in a handful of companies, primarily driven by speculation about what AI will be. Sarah and Beth discuss what the AI economy means for regular people, our jobs, and our future. Topics Discussed The AI Economy Crypto Speculation Outside of Politics: Steven King and Louise Penny Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, chats and more. If you're not already subscribed, you can use this link to ensure you're getting our show notes, weekly newsletter, and more.  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Today, Sarah and Beth are joined by Lacy Boling of the Paducah Cooperative Ministry, who shares how government cuts are impacting Food Banks across the US, their ability to meet their community needs, and how we can help. Topics Discussed How federal assistance has slowed to a trickle What could happen to families when SNAP benefits run out What happens to food pantries when need skyrockets What all of us can do that actually helps Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, chats and more. If you're not already subscribed, you can use this link to ensure you're getting our show notes, weekly newsletter, and more.  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The East Wing of the White House being torn down during a government shutdown might be the most egregious physical manifestation of America’s problems right now. Corruption abounds, Congress is adrift, and our international impact is murky at best. Plus, healthcare costs are skyrocketing for millions of Americans.  Sarah and Beth break it all down together. They discuss the destruction of the East Wing, the government shutdown, ICE in Chicago, the Gaza ceasefire, the strikes on Venezuelan boats, the healthcare costs, and more. Topics Discussed Corruption at the White House Government Shutdown and Congress Adrift Donald Trump’s International Legacy and Actions Healthcare Cost Increases Outside of Politics: Our Switzerland Trip Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, chats and more. If you're not already subscribed, you can use this link to ensure you're getting our show notes, weekly newsletter, and more.  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Should SNAP benefits cover soda and candy? Six states get federal approval to exclude them, and Sarah and Beth debate whether this is smart public health policy or government overreach—wrestling with the tension between the "nutrition" and "assistance" parts of the program's mission. Should tax dollars subsidize products that make people less healthy? Sarah and Beth explore the "common sense politics" of restricting junk food purchases, Sarah's personal experience using SNAP cards during COVID, and whether the Biden administration should have approved state waivers as experiments instead of blocking them. Is the soda industry the real villain? Sarah calls soda "poison" and predicts it will be viewed like cigarettes in decades to come, while Beth argues the government should regulate the industry upstream rather than police individual purchases downstream. Plus: Bedtime routines, sleep struggles, and why Beth can sleep through anything while Sarah wakes up at the slightest sound. Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, chats and more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

What happens when a college "greet line" handshake turns into a 24-year friendship? Sarah welcomes her longtime friends Mike and Smith to explore how their trio has survived decades of different life phases, cross-country moves, and major life changes, from their freshman year at Transylvania University through careers, marriages, and parenthood—all anchored by a book club that became their lifeline. Why are platonic male-female friendships so rare in American culture? They examine the social dynamics that make cross-gender friendships uncommon, how romantic assumptions complicate these relationships, and what it takes for friendships to survive when partners enter the picture, exploring whether having sisters, shared interests, or just good "riffing" chemistry makes the difference. Is America heading toward a "soft secession" by blue and red states? They flip the script on our usual Outside of Politics segment and tackle the current political moment, debating whether fertile ground exists for a viable third party, why Trump's cultural omnipresence makes him irreplaceable, and whether the country's "bimodal" split on everything from news consumption to local governance signals a fundamental breaking point in American democracy. Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, merchandise, chats and more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Sarah and Beth tackle the complicated state of climate discourse in America. While extreme weather events become increasingly common and climate change shows up in our daily lives—from electricity bills to insurance rates—the national conversation remains frustratingly frozen in partisan gridlock. They explore why climate change has become such a divisive political issue despite its visible effects, discuss the tension between climate catastrophism and practical solutions, and examine what effective climate messaging might look like going forward. From the “mile wide, inch deep” nature of public support to the challenges facing both progressive and conservative climate advocates, this conversation captures the full complexity of where we are—and where we might need to go. Finally, Sarah introduces Beth (and us) to junk journaling, a creative practice of transforming everyday ephemera into meaningful keepsakes. Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, chats and more.Don't miss our limited-edition holiday sale! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Will there finally be peace in Gaza? Sarah and Beth discuss President Trump's efforts to coordinate a peace deal between Israel and Gaza. They reflect on what it must mean to families on both sides of the conflict to see a potential end to this war in sight.  Why isn't Congress back in session to end this shutdown and what does it have to do with Epstein?. Sarah and Beth talk to Rep. Ro Khanna about the government shutdown and his efforts to get the Epstein files released. Rep. Khanna also shares why the two are intertwined.  How much cleaning is too much cleaning? Outside of politics, we're talking about cleaning content and what level of cleaning goes past reasonable standards of cleanliness.  Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, chats and more.Don't miss our limited-edition holiday sale! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Government shutdown drags on with no end in sight. Sarah and Beth explore why Republicans lack motivation to resolve it—from giving Russell Vought a runway to shut down agencies, to avoiding responsibility, to the Epstein document discharge petition battle.  Federal troops and ICE operations escalate in American cities. Sarah and Beth break down the National Guard deployments to Los Angeles, DC, Memphis, and the blocked attempt in Oregon, plus aggressive ICE raids across the country.  What "war zones" actually look like versus Portland protests. Sarah and Beth push back on the administration's characterization of cities, discuss ice impersonators endangering citizens, and debate whether Gavin Newsom and JB Pritzker are handling federal overreach differently.  Plus: Taylor Swift's The Life of a Showgirl album—what worked and what didn't. Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, chats and more.Don't miss our limited-edition holiday sale! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Can Trump's Gaza peace plan actually work? Sarah and Beth break down the 20-point proposal and why Netanyahu is finally feeling the heat. They discuss what's changed—from polling on Israel to Ukraine's drone warfare lessons—and whether this administration's transactional approach might accidentally deliver lasting peace. Why are so few panicking about the government shutdown? With funding lapsed and Congress in recess, Beth and Sarah explore the "giant shrug" response from those not directly affected and whether crying wolf has made actual shutdowns feel disminished. They debate Democratic strategy on healthcare protections, discuss the problem with shutdown threats, and propose what a genuine budget process reform could look like. What happened when Pete Hegseth called 800 generals to Quantico? Sarah and Beth dissect the defense secretary's retreat featuring Christian nationalism, complaints about "fat" people in the military, and Trump's "enemy within" rhetoric. They work through the tension of taking legitimate military critiques seriously while resisting the administration's trap of making everything a partisan thunderdome—and why the calm response from cities with National Guard deployments offers a better model. Plus: The treats roundup you need this week, from The Pitt to fall magazines to cinnamon toast blondies. Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, merchandise, chats and more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

What is the path forward for Gaza and the West Bank? Beth and Sarah discuss Trump's fourth meeting with the Israeli Prime Minister as European countries recognize Palestinian statehood. They examine Tony Blair's transition proposal, Trump's 21-point plan, and whether the Trump administration can be a reliable partner in peace. What happens to a government shutdown when "we don't have local politics anymore"? As the government funding deadline hits tomorrow, Sarah and Beth explore why the old political playbooks may not work in today's splintered media environment. Sarah and Beth evaluate Democratic negotiating priorities - from healthcare tax credits to PBS funding - and debate whether representatives should act as delegates or trustees when Constitutional order itself is at stake. Is the Comey indictment as flimsy as it looks? Beth breaks down the two-page indictment charging the former FBI Director with lying to Congress about a 2016 leak. With a grand jury already refusing one charge and a statute of limitations that barely applies, they discuss what it means when the Justice Department has fully become "the revenge department for the president" rather than serving the American people. Plus: Sarah shares her Common Ground Pilgrimage to England and achieves her life dream of comforting a crying baby on a transatlantic flight. Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, merchandise, chats and more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Is the President authorized to blow up boats and kill suspected drug smugglers? Beth speaks with Senator Chris Van Hollen (D-MD) about Trump's use of military force to strike vessels in the Caribbean Sea without due process, trials, or congressional authorization. The Senator explains why these extrajudicial killings violate constitutional war powers and put America at greater risk internationally. Why aren't Republicans checking executive overreach? Senator Van Hollen describes how the GOP has become a "rubber stamp" for Trump, abandoning its constitutional duty to provide checks and balances. From dismantling congressional war powers to remaining silent on due process violations, he explores what it means when an entire party contracts out its judgment to one person. What levers does Congress actually have right now? As the government funding deadline approaches, Van Hollen discusses the Democratic strategy of "creative confrontation" - from showing up at ICE detention centers to challenging book bans at the Naval Academy. He explains why he won't give Trump a "blank check" even from the minority, and what safeguards against illegal withholding of funds could look like in any budget deal. Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, merchandise, chats and more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Can Democrats move beyond defending broken institutions? Beth and guest host Mike Nellis explore how the party has become trapped in protecting a status quo that isn't working, while Republicans offer only grievance without solutions. Nellis argues that both parties lack a positive vision for America, leaving Americans choosing between institutional failure and billionaire-funded chaos. Why does Trump strategically pick fights he can win? From Jimmy Kimmel's suspension to targeting ActBlue, Beth and Mike examine how Trump chooses vulnerable opponents while avoiding stronger figures, and how his "retribution arc" exploits existing weaknesses in media and activist organizations. How do we have real conversations when algorithms profit from division? Drawing on everything from pro wrestling metaphors to advice from his Trump-voting FBI father, they discuss why billionaires benefit from keeping Americans fighting their neighbors, the loneliness epidemic among young people, and finding common ground beyond political identity. Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, merchandise, chats and more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

What happens when a 22-year-old's "mission mindset" leads to political assassination? Sarah and Beth grapple with the charging documents and online footprint of Charlie Kirk's shooter, exploring how video game culture, sedentary leisure, and the deadly confluence that defies simple political categorization. Can we stop using historical figures as props to end arguments? They examine how both sides wield Hitler comparisons and identity markers to avoid engaging with actual ideas, discussing Sarah's personal reckoning with years of ad hominem attacks and why "you're a Nazi" has become a conversation killer rather than a call for critical thinking. Why do young people know Charlie Kirk but reject his ideas? From the 90% name recognition but only 30% approval among Gen Z to the "sedentary alone leisure time" crisis among young men, Sarah and Beth explore how we ceded intellectual territory to figures like Jordan Peterson and Andrew Tate by refusing to engage with questions about masculinity and purpose. How do we debate ideas without destroying relationships? Drawing on everything from couples therapy techniques to sibling fights, they discuss moving from "sneering" to intellectual rigor, why the personal being political doesn't mean emotions should dominate arguments, and how to choose relationship over being right. Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, merchandise, chats and more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

What happens when a polarizing figure's death becomes a cultural Rorschach test? Sarah and Beth process the assassination of Charlie Kirk and its aftermath, exploring how the same person can be seen as both saint and monster depending on your media diet, and why we're all seeing different versions of the same story. How do we have "soft conflict" in a world demanding verbal war? They examine the death spiral of online discourse where nuance dies and everyone becomes either completely good or irredeemably evil, discussing why we've lost the ability to disagree without destroying each other and how algorithmic social media poisons every conversation. Can we escape the cycle of cancellation and retribution? From firing people over social media posts to the deification and demonization of public figures, Sarah and Beth explore how both left and right use the same punitive playbook, and why someone has to go first in laying down weapons. Why are we all craving something real when everything feels like performance? Outside of Politics, they discuss the exhaustion of being extremely online, the appeal of house plants and tangible hobbies, and why even award shows feel hollow when streaming has fractured our shared cultural experiences. Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, merchandise, chats and more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Sarah and Beth react to both the horrific assassination of Charlie Kirk and the response online from people on both sides of the political aisle. If we truly believe every human life has value (and we here at Pantsuit Politics do), what does that mean as we reckon with political violence? Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, merchandise, chats and more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Should Democrats shut down the government to stop Trump's authoritarian overreach? Sarah and Beth break down Ezra Klein's New York Times op-ed calling on Democrats to use the September 30th funding deadline to confront Trump's illegal pocket rescissions, growing corruption, and dismantling of congressional oversight, while examining whether traditional bipartisan governance enables authoritarianism. Why has Congress abandoned its constitutional duty to control government spending? They explore how the broken appropriations process—where the last complete budget was passed in 1997—has created a system of continuing resolutions that empowers the executive branch, as Trump's team openly admits they want Congress to "just keep doing what you're doing" while they consolidate power and enrich themselves. When is it okay to sing along at public events, and when should you stay quiet? Outside of Politics, they tackle the etiquette dilemmas of candlelight concerts, Broadway shows, movie sing-alongs, and graduation ceremonies, exploring how our "you owe me perfection and I owe you nothing" culture has broken down basic public courtesy and shared behavioral standards. Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, merchandise, chats and more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Is Trump a dictator, or just a wannabe? Sarah and Beth define authoritarianism and examine how decades of expanding executive power set the stage for Trump's emergency declarations, ICE army, and attacks on expertise, while exploring whether American institutions can resist the authoritarian playbook. What happens when courts push back but the Supreme Court stays silent? They analyze Trump's use of emergency powers to justify military action in the Caribbean, mass deportations without due process, and the renaming of the Department of Defense to the Department of War, discussing how legal challenges create incentives for escalation. Why are we giving our kids adult experiences earlier and earlier? Outside of Politics, Sarah and Beth dive into the phenomenon of elaborate dorm room decorating, the pressure to make kids popular, and how parents navigate the fine line between support and performance in an Instagram-driven world. Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, merchandise, chats and more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

What happens when we can't tell truth from rumors anymore? Sarah and Beth process the bizarre weekend when Trump death rumors dominated X while official news sources stayed silent, exploring what this reveals about our fractured media landscape and the breakdown of institutional trust. How do you rebuild expertise once it walks out the door? They examine the chaos at CDC under RFK Jr.'s influence, including the firing of Director Dr. Susan Monarez and mass resignations of top leadership, discussing whether institutions can be reformed or must be torn down entirely. Why are we all craving slower, more tangible things? Outside of Politics, Sarah and Beth reflect on the movement toward point-and-shoot cameras, canceling Amazon Prime, and pushing back against digital overwhelm in search of more intentional living. Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, merchandise, chats and more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

How do we talk about safety without demonizing entire communities? Sarah and Beth grapple with the complex psychology behind violence while examining Trump's federal takeover of DC police and exploring why crime statistics show progress even as public fear remains high. When does federal intervention help versus harm local communities? They analyze the deployment of National Guard troops to DC, the disconnect between data-driven policing successes and public perception of chaos, and what it means when emotions drive policy more than evidence. Why do so many (including us) find so much joy in Taylor Swift's engagement? In Outside of Politics, they discuss the joy of choosing community celebration over doom-scrolling, what this royal-level romance might mean for modern marriage, and why some people want to politicize everything. Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, merchandise, chats and more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

What can Canada's death laws teach us about policy limits? Sarah and Beth examine Canada's medical assistance in dying (MAID) program, where assisted deaths now account for 1 in 20 deaths nationwide - more than Alzheimer's and diabetes combined. They trace how policies that began with terminally ill patients have expanded to include those with treatable conditions and mental health issues alone. When does personal autonomy go too far? Sarah and Beth explore the moral injury experienced by healthcare workers, question whether doctors should make ethical decisions, and examine what happens when individual autonomy becomes society's dominant value.  How do you deepen friendships by sharing life stories? In Outside of Politics, Sarah describes a weekend exercise where friends told their complete life stories from birth to present, plus creative alternatives like wedding album tours and conversation games like Hygge. Featured: Canada Gave Citizens the Right to Die. Doctors Are Struggling to Meet Demand. by Elaina Plott Calabro (The Atlantic) Contact: [email protected] with "crime" in the subject line for listener perspectives on federal law enforcement in Washington DC. Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, merchandise, chats and more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

How have our perspectives changed since October 7th? Sarah and Beth open up about the difficulty of covering a conflict where any words will cause pain to someone. They share how their perspectives have evolved since October 7th and grapple with the moral complexities of Israel's actions, America's role, and what comes next. How do you hold complexity without losing moral clarity? Sarah and Beth explore how the Israeli government's actions have shifted their thinking, the limits of international law, and whether America should continue military aid without conditions. What is the best summer reading? In Outside of Politics, Sarah breaks down her summer reading wins and fails, from nonfiction gems to "trash" novels, while Beth plans her "fiction fall" reading list. Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, merchandise, chats and more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Today, we're sharing our spicy bonus episode from last week with everyone. We do an episode like this once a week for our premium subscribers on Substack. If you enjoy this conversation, we'd love for you to join us on Substack. We're running an end of summer sale through August 31st with 15% off an annual subscription. Use this link to get your savings while they last!  http://pantsuitpoliticsshow.com/subscribe/summersale  SHOW NOTES: Today’s spicy bonus episode is about the tension between our personal choices and our community responsibilities as well as the different roles we have in the world, our public lives, and our private lives (which lines up very nicely with Taylor Swift’s big album announcement). More to Say About Showing Up at School (Pantsuit Politics Premium) More to Say About Getting Kids to School (Pantsuit Politics Premium) Taylor Swift on Reclaiming Her Masters, Wrapping The Eras Tour, and The Life of a Showgirl (NHTV) Daily Stoic Newsletter Blazing Eye Sees All: Love Has Won, False Prophets, and the Fever Dream of the American New Age by Leah Sottile See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Are President Trump's diplomatic gambles paying off or backfiring? Sarah and Beth analyze Trump's summit with Vladimir Putin in Alaska, examining whether giving Putin a platform on American soil legitimizes his regime or advances genuine peace negotiations.  What does the Jeffrey Epstein case reveal about justice in America? Sarah and Beth debate how wealth and power corrupt our justice system. They wrestle with distinguishing between legitimate concerns about institutional failures around the Justice Department's handling of Epstein's case and conspiracy theories. How do you find genuine stress relief in chaotic times? In Outside of Politics, Sarah and Beth discuss managing stress and finding hobbies. Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, merchandise, chats and more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Are we ready for the AI revolution transforming our world? Sarah and Beth dive into the lightning-fast rise of artificial intelligence that's reshaping how we work, connect, and live our daily lives. From workplace automation to community impacts, they unpack our collective anxieties about this technological shift and explore practical approaches to AI regulation and engagement. What does it mean to stay resilient in an AI-driven world? In Outside of Politics, they tackle the modern epidemic of burnout and share insights on building lasting resilience in uncertain times. Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, and show merchandise that lets you take the conversation with you. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Sarah and Beth return from their summer break to discuss how they decide what to cover in today's chaotic political landscape. They dive into the Texas gerrymandering battle and explore the broader shift toward state-level governance happening across America. Topics Discussed:  How We Choose Our Topics for the Show The Shift from Federal to State Power (and What It Means) Texas Gerrymandering and the National Response Outside of Politics: Hosting Parties Visit our website for complete show notes, premium shows, show merchandise, and more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Pantsuit Politics is celebrating ten years of podcasting this year! A lot has happened politically, culturally, and personally in the last ten years. This summer, we’re revisiting each of the years we’ve been podcasting with a special flashback episode. In our final flashback, we ponder how much we’re still sorting through the remnants left by the whirlwind that was 2024. Topics Discussed The Whirlwind of 2024 Violence At Home and Abroad Outside of Politics: Beyonce and Pop Girl Summer Visit our website for complete show notes, premium shows, show merchandise, and more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We are thrilled to be sharing a conversation today between Beth and Dr. Casey Burgat, a professor and author of the new book, We Hold These "Truths": How to Spot the Myths that are Holding America Back. Beth and Casey talk about the balance of power between the branches of government, what a reset would look like, where they would start fixing things, and — perhaps most importantly — their shared love of the Three Pines series by Louise Penny. Visit our website for complete show notes, premium shows, show merchandise, and more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Pantsuit Politics is celebrating ten years of podcasting this year! A lot has happened politically, culturally, and personally in the last ten years. This summer, we’re revisiting each of the years we’ve been podcasting with a special flashback episode. Today, we look back at how emerging technology and the start of the war in Gaza changed the world. Topics Discussed Emerging Technology in 2023 October 7th and the Start of the War in Gaza Outside of Politics: Taylor Swift & Travis Kelce Visit our website for complete show notes, premium shows, show merchandise, and more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Sarah is joined by journalist and author Sara Kehaulani Goo about her new book, Kuleana: A Story of Family, Land, and Legacy in Old Hawai'i. Sara talks about tourism, belonging, and her familial roots in Hawaiian land.  Visit our website for complete show notes, premium shows, show merchandise, and more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Pantsuit Politics is celebrating ten years of podcasting this year! A lot has happened politically, culturally, and personally in the last ten years. This summer, we’re revisiting each of the years we’ve been podcasting with a special flashback episode. Today, we look back at 2022. Sarah explains why she thinks the slap at the Oscars was such a pivot point, and we reflect on the invasion of Ukraine and the January 6th hearings as big moments as well.  Topics Discussed 2022 as a Pivot Year What Mattered Most in 2022? Outside of Politics: Cultural Highlights of 2022 Visit our website for complete show notes, premium shows, show merchandise, and more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Today’s spicy bonus episode is available to all listeners. These bonus episodes are where Sarah and Beth let loose a bit more than the main show. Their feelings are often more raw and their conversation often has more heat. This episode, like many of our spicy bonus episodes, is explicit. If you enjoy this type of conversation from Sarah and Beth, we hope you’ll join us as a paid subscriber here on Substack. Being part of the Spice Cabinet — as we lovingly refer to our paid subscribers — gets you access to this weekly spicy bonus episode, as well as Sarah and Beth’s two premium shows: Good Morning and More to Say. Plus, access to the comments, extras like our film club, and more. Join our Spicy Cabinet community on Substack. In this episode, Sarah and Beth talk about their feelings of powerlessness and frustration at how the system feels unresponsive right now. They also reflect on the Cincinnati live event and how we try to avoid a consumption model in our events. Plus, they share how they are thinking about our production as we head into a short summer break. How to Hide an Empire: A History of the Greater United States by Daniel Immerwahr (MacMillan) See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Today, we're sharing our conversation with Stanford University College of Medicine researcher Keith Humphreys about his research on what went wrong with post-COVID and post-George Floyd drug policy, and how communities can effectively support people in recovering from addiction. Visit our website for complete show notes, premium shows, show merchandise, and more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Pantsuit Politics is celebrating ten years of podcasting this year! A lot has happened politically, culturally, and personally in the last ten years. This summer, we’re revisiting each of the years we’ve been podcasting with a special flashback episode. Today, we look back at 2021 and present our theory that it - not 2020 - is the year that actually broke us. Topics Discussed January 6th What We Got Wrong in 2021 Outside of Politics: Nostalgia in a Disrupted Time Visit our website for complete show notes, premium shows, show merchandise, and more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Sarah and Beth talk to Michigan representative Haley Stevens about how the BBB will impact her constituents in Michigan and why she actually loves Congress and the work of being a representative.  Join us for our live show in Cincinnati with a virtual ticket! Visit our website for complete show notes, premium shows, show merchandise, and more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Pantsuit Politics is celebrating ten years of podcasting this year! A lot has happened politically, culturally, and personally in the last ten years. This summer, we’re revisiting each of the years we’ve been podcasting with a special flashback episode. Today, we are looking at the big moments and lessons learned from the rich text that is 2020. Topics Discussed Parts of 2020 that were Not Covid Covid-19 Outside of Politics: Tiger King and TikTok Visit our website for complete show notes, premium shows, show merchandise, and more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This week, we’re introducing you to a show we think you’ll really enjoy—it’s called Hasan Minhaj Doesn’t Know, and it blends humor with genuine curiosity in a way that feels both fresh and thoughtful. You probably know Hasan from The Daily Show or Patriot Act, but in this podcast, he sits down with guests from across politics, culture, and tech to ask big, sometimes absurd, but always honest questions. In this episode, he talks with Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Ronan Farrow about his HBO documentary on spyware technology, his new podcast Not a Very Good Murderer, and—of course—trades hair care tips with a fellow hair bro. After you listen, search Hasan Minhaj Doesn’t Know wherever you get your podcasts, or head to: https://lemonada.lnk.to/hasanminhajdoesntknowfd See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Sarah and Beth discuss the news of the weekend, the heartbreaking flooding in Texas, the FBI's admission that the Epstein files aren't real, and the passage of the Republican Reconciliation bill. Topics Discussed The Big Backward Bill The Epstein Files are Not Coming Flash Flooding at Texas Camp Mystic Austyn Gaffney on Local Climate Resilience and Rebuilding Outside of Politics: Summer Music Visit our website for complete show notes, premium shows, show merchandise, and more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Pantsuit Politics is celebrating ten years of podcasting this year! A lot has happened politically, culturally, and personally in the last ten years. This summer, we’re revisiting each of the years we’ve been podcasting with a special flashback episode. Today, we are looking at the big moments and lessons learned from 2019. Topics Discussed The Year of Ugh: Government Shutdown, the First Impeachment, and Jeffrey Epstein Learning Lessons and Rising Temperatures on Social Media Outside of Politics: Cultural Highlights of 2019 Visit our website for complete show notes, premium shows, show merchandise, and more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Sarah and Beth discuss the status of the President's Reconciliation bill, the end of the Supreme Court term, and share their big ideas for our three branches of government to work better. Topics Discussed The One Big Beautiful Bill and Budget Reconciliation The Supreme Court Avoids Big Decisions Outside of Politics: Little Things that Make Life Better Visit our website for complete show notes, premium shows, show merchandise, and more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Pantsuit Politics is celebrating ten years of podcasting this year! A lot has happened politically, culturally, and personally in the last ten years. This summer, we’re revisiting each of the years we’ve been podcasting with a special flashback episode. Today, we are looking at what, in reflection, is one of the hardest years of the past ten. Topics Discussed Horrific Headlines: Parkland Shooting, Family Separation, and the Death of Jamal Khashoggi The Confirmation of Brett Kavanaugh Outside of Politics: Cultural Highlights of 2018 Visit our website for complete show notes, premium shows, show merchandise, and more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Sarah and Beth discuss the implications of the US strike in Iran and Iran's response. Topics Discussed Operation Midnight Hammer and Iran’s Response Outside of Politics: Golden Girls and Designing Women Visit our website for complete show notes, premium shows, show merchandise, and more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We're sharing this special episode that normally would be available exclusively to our premium members. We hope it's helpful for you as you take in the news of the weekend. If you'd like to receive more episodes like this, make sure you join us at pantsuitpoliticsshow.com. It’s been a heavy weekend and your kids, like ours, may have some questions about what is going on with Iran. Beth is joined by her 14-year-old daughter, Jane, to talk through the bombings, why they happened, and answer her questions about what happens next. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Pantsuit Politics is celebrating ten years of podcasting this year! A lot has happened politically, culturally, and personally in the last ten years. This summer, we’re going to revisit each of the years we’ve been podcasting with a special flashback episode. Today, we are looking back at the first year of Donald Trump's first term as president. Topics Discussed The Year of Resistance The Beginnings of #metoo and Reflecting on Our Work Outside of Politics: Cultural Highlights of 2017 Visit our website for complete show notes, premium shows, show merchandise, and more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In (another) politically tumultuous weekend in the US and around the world, Sarah and Beth catch up on the headlines and step back to talk about the political scene with Ben Wikler of the Wisconsin Democratic Party. Topics Discussed Political Assassination in Minnesota Israel vs. Iran “No Kings” Protest and a Military Parade Ben Wikler on Rebuilding the Democratic Brand Outside of Politics: Kid Rotting or Wild Summer Visit our website for complete show notes, premium shows, show merchandise, and more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Pantsuit Politics is celebrating ten years of podcasting this year! A lot has happened politically, culturally, and personally in the last ten years. This summer, we’re revisiting each of the years we’ve been podcasting with a special flashback episode. Today, we continue the conversation by looking at 2016. Topics Discussed The Biggest News Stories of 2016: The Presidential Election, Brexit, and the MAGA takeover of the Republican Party Outside of Politics: Cultural Highlights of 2016: Hamilton and Lemonade Visit our website for complete show notes, premium shows, show merchandise, and more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Sarah and Beth are together to discuss the immigration raids in Los Angeles, the subsequent protests, and the decision by the Trump administration to send in the military. Plus, the bromance between Elon and Donald has come to an end - why? Topics Discussed ICE Raids and Protests in Los Angeles The Feud Between Elon Musk and Donald Trump Outside of Politics: Sarah’s Trip to Italy Visit our website for complete show notes, premium shows, show merchandise, and more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Pantsuit Politics is celebrating ten years of podcasting this year! A lot has happened politically, culturally, and personally in the last ten years. This summer, we’re going to revisit each of the years we’ve been podcasting with a special flashback episode. Today, we begin with a look back on our earliest days as podcasters in 2015. Topics Discussed The Biggest News Stories of 2015: Terror, Shootings, and the Rise of Donald Trump Starting Our Work in 2015 Outside of Politics: Cultural Highlights of 2015 Visit our website for complete show notes, premium shows, show merchandise, and more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Today, we're celebrating 1,000 episodes of Pantsuit Politics with our friend Jen Hatmaker. Jen Hatmaker is a writer, podcaster, speaker, and long-time friend of our show. She's with us today to reflect on our journey to this podcasting milestone and discuss her new memoir, Awake, coming out in September. Whether you've been listening to Pantsuit Politics for 1 episode or 1,000, we're delighted to have you join us for a mom-hug of an episode. Don't forget Reimagining Citizenship, our 30-day meditation series leading up to July 4th starts this week. You can join us here. Visit our website for complete show notes, premium shows, show merchandise, and more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Vanessa Zoltan joins Beth to discuss the Trump administration's attacks on universities, specifically Harvard, and what that tells us about their priorities.  Topics Discussed: The Trump Administration Comes for Harvard Antisemitism and Campus Protests Outside of Politics: What Happens and Guiding Art Visit our website for complete show notes, premium shows, show merchandise, and more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We ask a lot of our public school systems and teachers. We want our kids to know the basics, to learn new technology, and be prepared for the jobs of the future. We want schools to fill in gaps left by broken homes and communities, pay teachers fairly, and cost less money. Today, Sarah and Beth ask at the end of a school year, 'How's that working for us?' Visit our website for complete show notes, premium shows, show merchandise, and more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We’ve spent a lot of time recently talking about the aging leadership in Washington. Today, we’re looking forward with not one but two compelling voices representing a new generation of leadership. First, we'll hear from Michigan State Senator Mallory McMorrow, whose powerful speeches defending inclusive policies have resonated nationwide. Then, we'll sit down with rising star Jake Rakov to explore his vision for progressive governance in practice. Visit our website for complete show notes, premium shows, show merchandise, and more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Sarah and Beth discuss the revelations about Joe Biden's health and capacity and what it means for future democratic politics and our democracy. Topics Discussed: Former President Biden’s Health and an Aging Democratic Party The Responsibility of the Media, What We Can Say, and Who Decides Outside of Politics: Valedictorians Visit our website for complete show notes, premium shows, show merchandise, and more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Potential cuts to Medicaid are a major cause of Republican infighting over the federal budget. Sarah and Beth discuss what that might look like and why it divides Republicans so deeply.  Topics Discussed: The Costs of Medicaid  Republicans Divided on the Budget Outside of Politics: Personal Creativity  Visit our website for complete show notes, premium shows, show merchandise, and more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Sarah and Beth discuss the President's state visit to the Middle East, the 'gift' of a plane from Qatar, and the Trump Administration's open corruption. Topics Discussed Trump Heads to the Middle East to Make Deals Open Corruption in the Trump Administration Outside of Politics: Disappearing Southern Accents Visit our website for complete show notes, premium shows, show merchandise, and more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Today, we talk with Emily Ley, whose small business has put her into an unexpected role: plaintiff against the Trump administration. She candidly discusses how recent tariff policies are impacting her business, employees, and will impact customers in the weeks and months ahead. Listen for a revealing conversation about the personal cost of trade politics for American entrepreneurs. Visit our website for complete show notes, premium shows, show merchandise, and more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Sarah and Beth are discussing Diddy's trial and the state of the #metoo movement, as well as checking in on the cost of Trump's tariffs. Topics Discussed The Cost of the Trade War Sean 'P Diddy' Combs Trial and the #metoo Cabinet Outside of Politics: Thrifting Visit our website for complete show notes, premium shows, show merchandise, and more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We're delighted to be joined by Rep. Morgan McGarvey, who has represented Kentucky's 3rd Congressional District since 2023. He spoke to us about the budget process, practical ways to care for veterans, and pushing back against the Trump administration. Plus, outside of politics, he shares a truly unique life experience.  Visit our website for complete show notes, premium shows, show merchandise, and more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Sarah and Beth are assessing the successes, failures, and chaos of the first 100 Days of President Trump's second administration. Topics Discussed FBI arrests State Judge Hannah Dugan in Wisconsin President Trump’s First 100 Days Outside of Politics: The Best of Veggies Visit our website for complete show notes, premium shows, show merchandise, and more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Sarah and Beth delve into Elon Musk's tumultuous week, offering insights into DOGE's “success” and the profit decline at Tesla that has investors on edge. We also explore Musk's complicated family dynamics and his controversial pronatalist views. Outside of politics, we move from talking about monitoring babies to monitoring teens. Topics Discussed Updates on DOGE’s Work Profit Decline and Panic at Tesla Elon Musk’s Children and the Pronatalist Movement Outside of Politics: Tracking Your Teenagers Visit our website for complete show notes, premium shows, show merchandise, and more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Sarah and Beth dive into the Trump administration's troubling deportation policies targeting protesters and examine what happens when presidential power collides with constitutional rights and due process. Topics Discussed Episode Feedback: Death with Dignity The Legacy of Pope Francis Detangling Evil and Incompetence in Trump’s Government Due Process for Non-Citizens Outside of Politics: When is it safe to leave your child alone? Visit our website for complete show notes, premium shows, show merchandise, and more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Sarah and Beth explore the complex intersection of medicine, ethics, policy, culture, and personal autonomy surrounding physician-assisted death. They discuss the challenging terrain of end-of-life choices and examine how different countries approach this from a legal perspective. This conversation offers compassionate insight without easy answers about one of healthcare's most nuanced ethical frontiers.  Topics Discussed Physician-Assisted Death Outside of Politics: How to Be Happy in Old Age Visit our website for complete show notes, premium shows, show merchandise, and more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Sarah and Beth process the violence targeting Governor Shapiro, the Trump administration's sweeping deportation policies, and how the administration's approach to trade, tariffs, and immigration is reshaping relationships with big law, big tech, and big business—creating instability that affects us all. Topics Discussed Violence at Pennsylvania Governor Shapiro's Residence The Trump Administration Doubles Down on Deportation President Trump's Chaotic Tariff Policy  Outside of Politics: Sarah's Trip to DC Visit our website for complete show notes, premium shows, show merchandise, and more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Beth and comedian Matt Ruby explore how stand-up comedy reveals what Americans truly think about political issues. What audiences laugh at can be a stronger political indicator than any focus group. Topics Discussed Comedian Matt Ruby on Political Insights from Stand-Up Outside of Politics: Nachos and Overrated Foods Visit our website for complete show notes, premium shows, show merchandise, and more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Beth is joined by her daughter Ellen to discuss tariffs, the economy, and DEI. Then, we share a conversation with author Lindsey Cormack about her book, How to Raise a Citizen, and the importance of civic education if we hope to make a better future. Topics Discussed Beth and Ellen discuss tariffs, the economy, and DEI  How to Raise a Citizen with Lindsey Cormack Outside of Politics: Ellen goes to Broadway Visit our website for complete show notes, premium shows, show merchandise, and more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Sarah and Beth examine President Trump's controversial new tariff proposals and their economic implications, the growing divide within the Republican Party over several different issues, and Senator Cory Booker's history-making speech on the Senate floor. Topics Discussed Tariffs and Liberation Day Congressional Republicans and the Federal Budget Cory Booker’s Speech and a Glimmer of Hope for Democrats Outside of Politics: Produce Wars Visit our website for complete show notes, premium shows, show merchandise, and more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Sarah and Beth examine the ripple effects of President Trump's recent executive orders targeting law firms, businesses, and universities and how these policies have created a 'fight or flight' response among institutions. They explore the consequences for the legal system and higher education and the path toward meaningful resistance in this challenging landscape. Topics Discussed Big Law Meets the Trump Administration The Resistance Grows Up Outside of Politics: April Fools Visit our website for complete show notes, premium shows, show merchandise, and more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Last year, the Supreme Court changed college sports. Sarah and Beth are taking in the field (no pun intended) to see how the ruling has changed the amateur athletic landscape and how it continues to shift. They discuss NIL (name, image, likeness), transfer portals, and the continued commercialization of the amateur space.  Topics Discussed March Madness and Professionalizing College Athletes  Outside of Politics: Bodily Fluids and Discomfort Visit our website for complete show notes, premium shows, show merchandise, and more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We're excited to share with you a show we love, Choice Words with Samantha Bee. In this episode, Congressman Maxwell Frost joins Sam to talk about what it’s like to be the first member of Gen Z in Congress, and why it’s so important for Democrats to choose to see themselves as the opposition party, not the minority party. They talk about how to make decisions that impact millions of people and why the Kennedy Center coup was more significant than people think, and that he has been reading a lot about Elon Musk because it’s important to know your enemies. Sam learns that Congressman Frost is a “no notifications guy,” that he subscribes to even more newsletters than she does, and that the phone calls to Congress are actually working.  To get more episodes, follow Choice Words wherever you get your podcasts or head here: https://lemonada.lnk.to/choicewordsfd See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Today, Sarah and Beth are discussing the Signal controversy, in which Jeffrey Goldberg (editor-in-chief of The Atlantic) was accidentally added to a group chat discussing war plans among top US officials. They discuss the national security implications and what this tells us about the second Trump administration's approach to governance.  Topics Discussed The War Plans Group Chat Donald Trump’s Revenge Tour Outside of Politics: Tasks You Hate vs. Tasks You Miss Visit our website for complete show notes, premium shows, show merchandise, and more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Today, Sarah is joined by Maggie, Director of Community Engagement at Pantsuit Politics, to explore their experiences within the 'crunchy mom' community. From Ricki Lake's 'The Business of Being Born' documentary to 'Make America Healthy Again,' Sarah and Maggie share what they've learned from their crunchy journeys and why they ultimately left. Topics Discussed Home Birth Childhood Vaccination and MAHA Outside of Politics: Changing Schools Visit our website for complete show notes, premium shows, show merchandise, and more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Topics Discussed A Sort-Of Ceasefire  The Impact of the Fall of Syria The Influence of Saudi Arabia Outside of Politics: Book Clubs and Comfort Reading Visit our website for complete show notes, premium shows, show merchandise, and more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Topics Discussed Rep. Thomas Massie and the Budget Deal The Escalating Trade War Ceasefire Negotiations Between Ukraine and Russia The Detention of Mahmoud Khalil Outside of Politics: Rituals of Joy Visit our website for complete show notes, premium shows, show merchandise, and more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In our ongoing whiteboard series, we are having conversations about where we are getting it wrong in American politics - specifically Democratic politics - and dreaming of a better way for the future. Tyler Austin Harper is a perfect guest for a conversation like that. On today’s show, Sarah and Beth sit down with the writer to examine the strategic errors Democrats are making both in the political arena and higher education spaces. Together, they challenge some of what has become conventional wisdom and alienated formerly key Democratic voting blocs, explore some pragmatic alternatives, and ask what it will take to recalibrate a Democratic approach and build broader coalitions. Visit our Substack page for complete show notes and episode resources. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

On today’s show, we welcome Peter Goodman, The New York Times global economist correspondent, for a discussion on President Trump’s imposition of large tariffs, the escalating trade war they are triggering, and the rippling effects across supply chains for so much of what we buy. Topics Discussed Tariffs, Trade War, and the Global Supply Chain with Peter Goodman Outside of Politics: Wedding Registries Visit our Substack page for complete show notes and episode resources. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Is Trump putting America first? Is he playing four-dimensional chess for the greater good? Is he incompetent? Sarah and Beth unpack and discuss the geopolitical ramifications of his Oval Office meeting with President Zelenskyy, tariffs, and what it will mean when the impacts come knocking on our doors. Topics Discussed President Trump Meets with President Zelenskyy in the Oval Office President Trump’s Tariffs Go into Effect Outside of Politics: Lent Visit our Substack page for complete show notes and episode resources. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Sarah and Beth discuss controversial figure Javier Milei, Argentina’s president whose unorthodox style and politics have captured the attention of Elon Musk and America’s MAGA movement. They examine how he came to power in Argentina, what he’s done there, and how his ideology has influenced conservative thinking in the United States. Outside of politics, we want to hear about your whimsical habits! Topics Discussed Argentina Under the Leadership of Javier Milei Milei’s Influence and Ideology in the United States Finding Solutions After the Damage Outside of Politics: Whimsical Habits Visit our Substack page for complete show notes and episode resources. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In today's episode, Sarah and Beth discuss Senator Mitch McConnell's announcement that he will not seek an eighth term in the United States Senate. They also discuss the potential impact of DOGE on the national debt, and, outside of politics, they talk about school snow days and how we learn at home. Topics Discussed Senator Mitch McConnell’s Legacy DOGE The US Deficit Outside of Politics: Snow Days and Non-Traditional Instruction  Visit our Substack page for complete show notes and episode resources. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Destruction can be part of the building process; it certainly is a key part of Elon Musk’s approach to business and his new - legally ambiguous - role with DOGE. There is, however, a fine line between disruption and destruction. The tech mantra of “move fast and break things” can be dangerous, particularly when applied to the government. On today’s show, Sarah and Beth explore this idea and how the new Trump administration is letting Musk run full steam ahead. Plus, they discuss the Trump administration’s approach to foreign policy, most notably marked this week by Ukraine’s exclusion from the negotiating table with Russia. Outside of politics, Beth shares her new hack for managing her online shopping. Topics Discussed Ukraine Excluded from Negotiations Is Elon Musk Building or Destroying Through DOGE? Outside of Politics: Online Shopping Strategies Visit our Substack page for complete show notes and episode resources. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

On today’s show, Sarah and Beth talk about President Trump's mass firings of probational federal employees and what that means for our communities and government, a mass shooting that was averted and why we're hearing about it, and outside of politics, SNL's 50th-anniversary celebration. Topics Discussed DOGE Fires Federal Employees Sandy Hook Promise Prevents Mass Shooting Outside of Politics: SNL 50 and the next great thing in TV Visit our Substack page for complete show notes and episode resources. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

It’s not lost on us that we are taking a more unique approach to the second Trump administration than many other creators. On today’s show, Sarah and Beth explain some of the thinking behind their approach - including why we want to make space for conversations like the next one on today’s show. We share a fabulous conversation with Jane Perlez about China - its economy, its use of surveillance techniques, and its potential future. Plus, it’s Valentine’s Day, so outside of politics, we’re talking romance! Topics Discussed Why We’re Talking About China Jane Perlez on China’s Economy, Surveillance, and Future Outside of Politics: Valentine’s Day and Romance Visit our Substack page for complete show notes and episode resources. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Sarah and Beth discuss the recent actions of Trump's DOGE, the courts, the tweets, and how we as citizens might think about the current state of the Federal Government. Visit our Substack page for complete show notes and episode resources. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Beth sits down with Holly Page, who co-founded No Labels, to talk about why they aren't giving up on bipartisan work in Washington D.C., even in this period of intense partisan entrenchment. Plus, outside of politics, they talk networking tips. Visit our Substack page for complete show notes and episode resources. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Sarah and Beth are together today to discuss the chaotic beginning of the third week of the Trump administration. They discuss the on-again-off-agency tariffs, the Department of Government Efficiency and its attempts to close USAID, and what they think the Democratic response should be. TOPICS DISCUSSED Tariffs DOGE  Outside of Politics: Glitching Visit our Substack page for complete show notes and episode resources. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Rep. Greg Landsman joins us to talk about the early days of the administration and what Democrats should be doing right now.  Visit our Substack page for complete show notes and episode resources. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Sarah and Beth process the Executive Orders from the Trump administration, their on-the-ground impact, and what comes next. TOPICS DISCUSSED The Shock and Awe of Executive Orders Outside of Politics: Games Email our team at [email protected] to find out more about having Sarah and Beth come to discuss the value of disagreement with your group or organization. Visit our Substack page for complete show notes and episode resources. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Today, Sarah and Beth discuss their approach to the second Trump administration. Outside of politics, they discuss whether or not they read more than one book at the same time. TOPICS DISCUSSED Not Just Surviving the Trump Administration Outside of Politics: Reading Multiple Books at Once Email our team at [email protected] to find out more about having Sarah and Beth come to discuss the value of disagreement with your group or organization. Visit our website for complete show notes and episode resources. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Donald Trump returned to office on January 20 in a ceremony held in the Capitol Rotunda. Sarah and Beth discuss his first day in office, his flurry of executive orders, and the TikTok ban and un-ban over the weekend. Then, Senator Cory Booker joins them to discuss what's giving him hope and how he thinks Senate Democrats can work effectively in this administration. TOPICS DISCUSSED President Trump Takes Office Inauguration Executive Orders TikTok Senator Cory Booker on his vision for the Democratic Party Join our Premium Community on Substack for news, deep dives, and processing all this together.  Visit our website for complete show notes and episode resources. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

After 15 months, a ceasefire deal has been reached in the Middle East. Sarah and Beth discuss that as well as the legacy of President Biden. Plus, cabinet hearings have begun for Donald Trump's second cabinet. Outside of politics, Beth and Sarah debate the merits of pens vs. pencils.  TOPICS DISCUSSED Ceasefire in the Middle East  The Legacy of President Biden The Backlash Cabinet Outside of Politics: Pens vs. Pencils Join our Premium Community on Substack for news, deep dives, and processing all this together.  Visit our website for complete show notes and episode resources. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Sarah and Beth discuss the fires in Los Angeles and the implications of Climate Crisis for home owners insurance, and how we want to give to good causes in the new year. TOPICS DISCUSSED Los Angeles Fires Home Insurance Crisis Outside of Politics: Magnificent Giving Join our Premium Community on Substack for news, deep dives, and processing all this together.  Visit our website for complete show notes and episode resources. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Sarah and Beth are joined by Rep. Ro Khanna of California to discuss the new Congress, the future of the Democratic Party, and the barriers to positive change. Join our Premium Community on Substack for news, deep dives, and processing all this together.  Visit our website for complete show notes and episode resources. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Sarah and Beth discuss the domestic terror attacks that began the year in New Orleans and Las Vegas, the new Congress, and reflect on the life and legacy of President Jimmy Carter. Outside of Politics, they discuss the podcasts, books, and movies they enjoyed over the holidays. TOPICS DISCUSSED: A Violent Beginning A New Congress President Jimmy Carter’s Legacy Outside of Politics: What we watched over the break Join our Premium Community on Substack for news, deep dives, and processing all this together.  Visit our website for complete show notes and episode resources. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

As we head into 2025, the idea of community feels intrinsically important to our well-being - both as people and a country. For so many of us, adult friendship can be a challenging landscape to navigate. Anna Goldfarb has written a wonderful new book about friendship in the modern era. We loved this conversation with her and know you will, too. Visit our website for complete show notes and episode resources. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Throughout 2024, our community slowly read through Alexis de Tocqueville’s classic, Democracy in America. This book has a surprising amount to teach us about our modern political climate, as well as how we got here. As we close out the year, Sarah and Beth close out our read along and reflect on what they learned about the present by looking to the past. Join our Premium Community on Substack for news, deep dives, and processing all this together.  Looking for a gift for the Pantsuit Politics fan in your life? Check out our Pantsuit Politics Fan Gift Guide. Check out our premium community gifting spreadsheet if you want to share the love within our community or add your own name to potentially receive a premium subscription from another listener. Visit our website for complete show notes and episode resources. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Earlier this year, we were honored to speak with legendary historian and author Doris Kearns Goodwin about her latest book. This conversation was a highlight of our year and also still feels full of wisdom for us as we head into a second Trump administration and consider presidential power. Join our Premium Community on Substack for news, deep dives, and processing all this together.  Looking for a gift for the Pantsuit Politics fan in your life? Check out our Pantsuit Politics Fan Gift Guide. Check out our premium community gifting spreadsheet if you want to share the love within our community or add your own name to potentially receive a premium subscription from another listener. Visit our website for complete show notes and episode resources. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Every week on our Substack page, Sarah shares a good news brief highlighting positive news from around the world. Here in this season of joy, we wanted to share her final good news brief of the year with all of you. 2024 was a hard year in many ways, but we don't want to lose sight of what there is to celebrate. If you enjoy this, we hope you'll join us on Substack in the new year to get your good news from Sarah every Thursday. RESOURCES: The Government Is Finally Cracking Down On Those Sneaky 'Service' Fees This drug is the 'breakthrough of the year' -- and it could mean the end of the HIV epidemic Cervical cancer deaths are plummeting among young U.S. women ‘Exciting’ new lupus treatment could end need for lifelong medication How patients can get better rest in the hospital Egypt declared malaria-free by World Health Organization Pedal power: how bicycles are changing what it means to be a girl in India 120 Miles of Russian Forest Couldn’t Keep Two Siberian Tigers Apart (Gift Article) It turns out Taylor Swift fans are generous tippers Hopeful Images From 2024 See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We are delighted to share a conversation we had with Casper ter Kuile in early 2023 about the power of ritual. It feels so right for this moment, and we know you are going to enjoy it, whether you are hearing it for the first time or returning it for a second listen. Join our Premium Community on Substack for news, deep dives, and processing all this together.  Looking for a gift for the Pantsuit Politics fan in your life? Check out our Pantsuit Politics Fan Gift Guide. Check out our premium community gifting spreadsheet if you want to share the love within our community or add your own name to potentially receive a premium subscription from another listener. Visit our website for complete show notes and episode resources. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

If we know anything about 2025, it's that we know very little about what it will actually hold. Even with the anticipated unpredictability, there are indicators from this current moment that offer us some suggestions. Sarah and Beth are together to share what they are expecting in 2025 and to share their words of the year. TOPICS DISCUSSED: Elon Musk and Funding the Government  What We Expect in 2025 Outside of Politics: Words of the Year Join our Premium Community on Substack for news, deep dives, and processing all this together.  Visit our website for complete show notes and episode resources. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

“There are years that ask questions and years that answer.” Zora Neale Hurston Sarah and Beth the questions and answers they still have from 2024. TOPICS DISCUSSED: Reflecting on 2024 Outside of Politics: Open Houses Join our Premium Community on Substack for news, deep dives, and processing all this together.  Looking for a gift for the Pantsuit Politics fan in your life? Check out our Pantsuit Politics Fan Gift Guide. If you’d like to order a Pantsuit Politics Cameo for the holidays, the deadline for that is this Thursday, December 19  Check out our premium community gifting spreadsheet if you want to share the love within our community or add your own name to potentially receive a premium subscription from another listener. Visit our website for complete show notes and episode resources. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

'Tis the season for overconsumption - or is that every season now? Sarah and Beth talk about the struggles they are facing in their own lives with consuming and being consumed.  TOPICS DISCUSSED: Overconsumption Outside of Politics: Microtrends for 2025 Join our Premium Community on Substack for news, deep dives, and processing all this together.  Looking for a gift for the Pantsuit Politics fan in your life? Check out our Pantsuit Politics Fan Gift Guide. Check out our premium community gifting spreadsheet if you want to share the love within our community or add your own name to potentially receive a premium subscription from another listener. Visit our website for complete show notes and episode resources. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Today, Sarah and Beth are following up on some of our conversations from the headlines last week, discussing social media in the context of overconsumption and the many (many) words of the year.TOPICS DISCUSSED: Good News Makes Headlines Social Media, Our Brains, and How We Handle It Outside of Politics: So Many Words of the Year Join our Premium Community on Substack for news, deep dives, and processing all this together.  Looking for a gift for the Pantsuit Politics fan in your life? Check out our Pantsuit Politics Fan Gift Guide. Check out our premium community gifting spreadsheet if you want to share the love within our community or add your own name to potentially receive a premium subscription from another listener. Visit our website for complete show notes and episode resources. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In the wake of the 2024 Presidential Election, everything is different. In the US, around the world, and in our own lives, Sarah and Beth discuss how Donald Trump's re-election seems to have shaken things loose for better (and certainly) for worse.TOPICS DISCUSSED: Killing of United Health Care CEO Brian Thompson International News from South Korea, France, Lebanon, and Syria Outside of Politics: Errand Brain Join our Premium Community on Substack for news, deep dives, and processing all this together.  Looking for a gift for the Pantsuit Politics fan in your life? Check out our Pantsuit Politics Fan Gift Guide. Visit our website for complete show notes and episode resources. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

President Biden has chosen to pardon his son, Hunter. Sarah and Beth discuss that choice in light of incoming president Trump's latest nominations and how Biden's choices over the last few years have had rippling consequences. Plus, Sarah and Beth are divided on their Wicked takes!TOPICS DISCUSSED: President Biden Pardons Hunter Biden  The Joe Biden of It All Outside of Politics: Wicked Join our Premium Community on Substack for news, deep dives, and processing all this together.  Looking for a gift for the Pantsuit Politics fan in your life? Check out our Pantsuit Politics Fan Gift Guide. Visit our website for complete show notes and episode resources. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We’re revisiting an episode from September 2023 about safe storage, the portrayal of weapons in media, and reducing gun violence. We hope this episode is helpful to you as you prepare to spend time with friends and family over the holidays. Join our Premium Community on Substack for news, deep dives, and processing all this together.  Looking for a gift for the Pantsuit Politics fan in your life? Check out our Pantsuit Politics Fan Gift Guide. Visit our website for complete show notes and episode resources. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Back in the spring, Sarah was featured on the cover of her hometown magazine, Paducah Life. As part of that cover story, she sat down with fellow Paducah native Chef Sara Bradley. They talked about leaving Paducah, coming back, and how they have worked to integrate personal and professional choices. You can see a video version of this interview on YouTube. Join our Premium Community on Substack for news, deep dives, and processing all this together.  Looking for a gift for the Pantsuit Politics fan in your life? Check out our Pantsuit Politics Fan Gift Guide. Visit our website for complete show notes and episode resources. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Sarah and Beth use the Future Problem Solving process to look at what we know about America today and brainstorm solutions about where we go next.TOPICS DISCUSSED: Future Problem Solving: America Outside of Politics: Paying Kids for Chores Join our Premium Community on Substack for news, deep dives, and processing all this together.  Looking for a gift for the Pantsuit Politics fan in your life? Check out our Pantsuit Politics Fan Gift Guide. Visit our website for complete show notes and episode resources. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Sarah and Beth discuss the responsibilities of Congress, the Supreme Court, and others will power at this time. TOPICS DISCUSSED Trump Appointments The Time to Be Bold Outside of Politics: The Sexiest Man Alive Join our Premium Community on Substack for news, deep dives, and processing all this together.  Looking for a gift for the Pantsuit Politics fan in your life? Check out our Pantsuit Politics Fan Gift Guide. Visit our website for complete show notes and episode resources. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Sarah and Beth discuss Donald Trump's ongoing appointments and talk about what can be learned from the down ballot results.  TOPICS DISCUSSED Trump Appointments and Expectations  Lessons from the Down Ballot Outside of Politics: Is It Time for Christmas? Join our Premium Community on Substack for news, deep dives, and processing all this together.  Looking for a gift for the Pantsuit Politics fan in your life? Check out our Pantsuit Politics Fan Gift Guide. Visit our website for complete show notes and episode resources. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Sarah and Beth continue to process the results of the 2024 Presidential Election. TOPICS DISCUSSED The 2024 Trump Coalition What to expect from the second Trump Adminsitration Outside of Politics: Common Ground Pilgrimages Join our Premium Community on Substack for news, deep dives, and processing all this together.  Sarah and Beth will be leading a Common Ground Pilgrimage to Switzerland in October 2025. We'd love for you to consider joining them. Visit our website for complete show notes and episode resources. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices