Pop Apologists

Lauren and Chanler sit down with Kate Casey for an unfiltered conversation on the gripping Netflix docuseries Trust Me: The False Prophet. They break down the shocking story of Samuel Bateman, the FLDS community’s ongoing struggles, Christine Marie’s bravery, and the heartbreaking realities behind the scenes. Timestamps: (00:00:29) 🎙️ Kate Casey Joins the Show — cult docs, FLDS fascination, and why this series hits different (00:03:29) 👤 Christine Marie’s Story — escaping abuse and turning pain into purpose (00:07:26) 🏠 FLDS House & Money Realities — how ownership, evictions, and survival actually work (00:09:58) 📚 Higher Education in the Community — degrees, Rulon vs. Warren Jeffs, and shifting rules (00:12:52) 📖 Trust Me Synopsis — Samuel Bateman’s rise, the music video, and the chilling details (00:18:19) 😵 Samuel Bateman’s Energy — the “gummy” prophet, Bentleys, and white leather jacket chaos (00:21:53) ❤️ Devoted Wife Nomz — starry-eyed devotion and the slow unraveling (00:37:32) ⚖️ Law Enforcement Frustrations — recordings, delays, and why justice moved so slowly (00:43:00) 🎥 The Music Video & Queen of England — the most unhinged moments (00:50:14) 💔 Julia & Nomz’s Courage — breaking free, fear, and what happened after prison (01:12:45) 🔄 Where Are They Now? — lingering beliefs, parole dates, and what’s next for the community Booking.com: Head over to Booking.com and start your listing today. Get Seen. Get Booked on Booking.com  Good Wipes: Head to https://goodwipes.com/POPAPOLOGISTS and check out the selection of wipes. Omaha Steaks: Go to https://OmahaSteaks.com and use promo code POP at checkout for $35 off. Minimum purchase may apply. ZBiotics: Go to https://zbiotics.com/POP and use POP at checkout for 15% off any first-time orders of ZBiotics probiotics. Cozy Earth: Head to https://cozyearth.com and use my code POP for an exclusive 20% off. Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Lauren and Chanler kick things off with some much-needed corrections to the record before diving into all the mess you can’t stop thinking about. From spilling the Summer House tea with mom to the latest on Blake Lively vs. Justin Baldoni. We also five into Meghan Markle’s surprising new gig, and Taylor Frankie Paul’s latest headlines. Timestamps: (00:00:00) 📝 Corrections to the Record — Paige DeSorbo shade mix-up and Carolyn Bessette’s mom tea (00:05:43) 👑 Deep Dive Plans — the Kennedy Curse, the women it ruined, and why we need this series (00:10:58) ☕️ Mom Gets the Summer House TLDR — explaining Amanda, West, Kyle & Ciara to mom (00:17:54) ⚖️ Blake Lively vs. Justin Baldoni Update — major claims dismissed, retaliation remaining, and her wild response (00:54:24) 👸 Meghan Markle News — the Australia retreat, low-rent gigs, and Tina Brown’s take (01:02:19) 📱 Taylor Frankie Paul Update — religious journey, image rehab, and the latest restraining order drama (01:05:31) 🇬🇧 Ladies of London — why this reboot is serving all the camp and chaos EarlyBird CBD: Visit https://www.EarlyBirdCBD.com and use code PA20 for 20% off Revolve: Shop at REVOLVE.com/POP and use code POP for 15% off your first order. #REVOLVEpartner Shopify: Start your business today with the industry’s best business partner at https://www.shopify.com/pop  Booking.com: Book today on the site or in the app! https://www.booking.com  Better Help: This show is sponsored by BetterHelp. Get 10% off your first month at https://www.BetterHelp.com/POPAPOLOGISTS  Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Lauren and Chanler unpack a week of relationship chaos, reality TV betrayal, and some insider tea. The Pop Apologists cover it all, from finishing Strangers to the Summer House fallout, and their final thoughts on Ryan Murphy’s Love Story. Plus, Taylor Swift’s headline-making iHeartRadio moment. It’s messy, judgmental, and exactly the kind of topics group chats are made for. timestamps: (00:03:11) 📚 Finishing Strangers — Belle Burden, marriage paranoia, and the divorce explanation that never comes (00:11:47) 🍸 Summer House Betrayal — West, Amanda, Ciara, and the friendship fallout that’s going to be difficult to come back from (00:36:35) 💋 Mormon Wives Mess — Jessi, Chase, Miranda, and why Salt Lake City seems to have a small pool of men (00:44:09) 👑 Meghan & Harry Insider Tea — Netflix problems, image rehab, and why “doing good” makes for bad television (00:53:57) 🎬 Love Story Finale — Ryan Murphy, Carolyn Bessette, JFK Jr., and a very deserved citizen’s arrest (01:01:22) 🎤 Taylor at iHeart Radio Awards— engagement comments, Travis praise, and the honeymoon phase discourse Clean Simple Eats: 10% off at CleanSimpleEats.com/POPAPOLOGISTS10 Booking.com: https://www.booking.com Book today on the site or in the app! Macy's: Shop at https://www.macys.com or in stores now! Cozy Earth: Head to https://www.cozyearth.com and use our code POP for an exclusive 20% off, and be sure to mention Pop Apologists on the post-purchase survey. Hero Bread: Go to https://hero.co and use code POP at checkout for 10% off your order. SKIMS: Shop my favorite bras and underwear at http://www.skims.com/pop #skimspartner Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

In this episode, we break down the explosive Taylor Frankie Paul situation, from new domestic violence allegations to the shocking release of past footage that changed everything. We walk through what actually happened, why her Bachelorette season was ultimately canceled, and what this means for her future. We also bring in expert legal insight to explain restraining orders and what could happen next. Plus, we cover the latest Secret Lives of Mormon Wives drama, including a major divorce and ongoing chaos within the cast. 00:08:01 🎬 SLOMW Season 4 00:10:52 🚨 Taylor Frankie Paul allegations 00:12:00 🤯 Situation escalates 00:14:00 🔁 Toxic relationship pattern 00:15:00 🌹 Bachelorette confusion 00:17:43 🎥 TMZ footage released 00:18:30 😳 Reaction to incident 00:20:30 💔 DV reflection 00:23:00 ⚠️ Ongoing concerns 00:26:06 ⚖️ Legal breakdown 00:28:00 🧑‍⚖️ Restraining order explained 00:34:45 📢 Bachelorette canceled 00:38:00 🚫 Casting criticism 00:41:54 📉 Bachelor franchise decline 00:43:30 🛠️ Fixing the show 00:48:52 💔 Jessi & Jordan divorce 00:53:00 🧾 Rumors + fallout 00:56:30 📱 Social media reaction Booking.com: https://www.booking.com Book today on the site or in the app! Marley Spoon: Head to https://www.MarleySpoon.com/offer/POP for 45% off your first order and free delivery. #marleyspoon #mymarleyspoon Progressive: Visit https://www.Progressive.com to see if you could save on car insurance. Wayfair: https://www.Wayfair.com Wayfair. Every style. Every home. Macy's: Shop at https://www.macys.com or in stores now! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Lauren and Chanler break down the Epstein Files and what this latest wave of information actually is. From the original case and its notorious handling to the names that continue to surface across legal, medical, and tech circles. They also examine the broader systems that enabled it, why certain figures remain part of the conversation, and what real accountability could look like as the focus shifts beyond the U.S. and into Europe. timestamps: (00:04:46) 📂 What Are the Epstein Files — the data dump, what was released, and how to understand it (00:10:46) 🏛️ The Epstein Files Transparency Act — what’s being proposed and why it matters now (00:12:58) ⚖️ The Sweetheart Deal — the 60-count indictment and how the case was handled (00:21:28) 🩺 Epstein’s Doctors — medical connections, access, and unanswered questions (00:25:46) 🧠 Peter Attia — where his name comes in and why it’s being discussed (00:29:36) 🏛️ Kathryn Ruemmler — legal influence and overlapping power circles (00:43:31) 💼 Howard Lutnick — business ties and proximity to the story (00:47:03) 🚀 Elon Musk — tech world overlap and ongoing discourse (00:50:47) 💻 Bill Gates — resurfaced connections and public scrutiny (00:59:39) 🧘‍♂️ Deepak Chopra — unexpected names and the scope of the network (01:01:07) ⚠️ Consequences for the Files — what accountability could realistically look like (01:04:42) 🌍 Consequences in Europe — how the conversation extends globally Booking.com: https://www.booking.com Book today on the site or in the app! HERS Weight Loss: Visit forhers.com/APOLOGISTS to get a personalized, affordable plan that gets you. Progressive: Visit https://www.Progressive.com to see if you could save on car insurance. Quince: Go to Quince.com/APOLOGIST for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns. Macy’s: Shop at https://www.macys.com or in stores now! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Lauren and Chanler are back with a full celebrity outline and a much needed break from the heavier Epstein deep dives. They talk through the internet’s latest pop culture moments, from Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds’ very public date night to Timothée Chalamet accidentally angering art world. Then they get into the internet’s obsession with Ballerina Farm, Meghan Markle’s latest business pivot, and why certain celebrity narratives just refuse to leave the timeline. Timestamps: (00:10:10) 👩🏼‍❤️‍💋‍👨🏻 Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds PDA — staged kissing photos, the internet’s reaction to the couple, and narcissists in love (00:20:04) 🎬 Timothée Chalamet vs Ballet and Opera — the Variety interview clip, artist identity debates, and why the arts community is not amused (00:28:59) 👶 Ballerina Farm Baby No. 9 — pregnancy reveal, the cinematic protein ad, and the internet’s endless fascination with Hannah Neeleman (00:37:20) 🥛 Raw Milk and Internet Conspiracies — Ballerina Farm backlash, lifestyle discourse, and why the conversation keeps spiraling (00:53:57) 🍯 Meghan Markle’s As Ever Brand — Netflix stepping away, luxury jam prices, and what the future of Meghan’s lifestyle empire might look like (01:02:08) 👑 The Sussex Strategy — Meghan and Harry’s latest moves, royal style tours, and why their public image keeps shifting Athletic Greens: Go to https://www.drinkag1.com/apologists to get their best offer on your first subscription order. Progressive: Visit https://www.Progressive.com to see if you could save on car insurance. Revolve: Shop at http://REVOLVE.com/POP and use code POP for 15% off your first order. #REVOLVEpartner Macy’s: Shop at https://www.macys.com or in stores now! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

In Part 1 of our Epstein Files deep dive, we unpack the unsettling story of how Jeffrey Epstein rose from a Brooklyn math prodigy to one of the most connected—and controversial—figures in elite circles. We trace the key moments that built his fortune and influence, from Wall Street to his powerful relationships with billionaires like Les Wexner and Leon Black. Along the way, we examine the mysterious circumstances surrounding Ghislaine Maxwell’s entrance into his life and the early warning signs that followed Epstein for decades. Finally, we break down the first major investigation, the shocking sweetheart plea deal that allowed him to avoid serious consequences, and the strange chain of events that ended with his death in federal custody. This episode lays the foundation for the darker details to come in the rest of the series.  TIMESTAMPS 00:00 🔎 Why We’re Covering the Epstein Files 03:40 🧒 Epstein’s Early Life in Brooklyn 05:20 🏫 Dalton School & the First Red Flags 06:30 💰 Wall Street Break: Bear Stearns 09:40 📄 Resume Lies & Early Manipulation 11:00 📈 Rise to Wealth and Power 15:30 💸 The First Known Financial Scams 19:00 👔 Les Wexner and the Billionaire Connection 24:40 🏦 Leon Black and Epstein’s Financial Empire 26:30 🏝️ Epstein’s Properties and Global Lifestyle 27:00 👑 Ghislaine Maxwell’s Background & Father’s Mysterious Death 36:00 🤝 Maxwell and Epstein Form Their Partnership 39:40 ⚠️ The First Criminal Investigation (Palm Beach) 41:30 ⚖️ The Secret Non-Prosecution Agreement 44:00 🚔 Epstein’s Shockingly Lenient Jail Sentence 46:00 🎥 Hidden Cameras and Alleged Blackmail 53:40 ✈️ The 2019 Arrest at Teterboro Airport 55:50 🔍 FBI Raids and Evidence Seized 01:01:00 🕵️ The Suspicious Breakdown in Jail Safeguards 01:02:30 ⚰️ Epstein’s Death and the Questions That Remain 01:04:00 🔮 What We’ll Cover in Part 2 EarlyBird CBD: Visit http://www.EarlyBirdCBD.com and use code PA20 for 20% off. Caraway: Visit https://www.Carawayhome.com/POP and take an additional 10% off your next purchase. HERS: Visit forhers.com/APOLOGISTS to get a personalized, affordable plan that gets you. Progressive: Visit https://www.Progressive.com to see if you could save on car insurance. Shopify: Sign up for your one-dollar-per-month trial today at https://www.shopify.com/pop  Better Help: This show is sponsored by BetterHelp. Get 10% off your first month at https://www.BetterHelp.com/POPAPOLOGISTS  Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Lauren and Chanler kick off with fresh sister banter from snowy New YorkCity. They get into recent RHOBH drama (including Rachel Zoe’s standout moments), surprising cast confessions, and the type of reality TV honesty that hits harder than expected. The girls also answer listener questions on money, dating, and celeb news before teeing up a fan-favorite deep dive on Carolyn Bessette Kennedy and John F. Kennedy Jr. for anyone ready to romanticize the 90s all over again. timestamps: (00:00:00) ❄️ Blizzard in New York — storm chaos, DoorDash delusions, and being trapped inside (00:10:00) 🥚 Grocery Store Lies — bougie eggs exposed, food marketing scams, and trust issues (00:16:48) 🍸 RHOBH Hamptons Trip — Kyle Richards, Dorit Kemsley, and why this episode felt vintage (00:20:30) 👠 Rachel Zoe Era — effortless cool, cast chemistry, and why her scenes hit different (00:23:09) 🧘‍♀️ Manifestation Discourse — Amanda’s money mindset, side-eyeing wellness gurus, and Bravo delusion (00:28:20) 💔 Dinner Confessions — Denise Richards and Erika Jayne open up, vulnerability on camera, and hard truths (00:38:14) 🧠 Eric Dane & James Van Der Beek — gone too soon, GoFundMe discourse, and medical reality checks (00:44:27) 💒 Taylor Swift Wedding Theories — aesthetics, vibes, and why expectations are already sky-high (00:47:58) 💳 Money Habits Reset — credit card debt, spending tricks, and small mindset shifts (00:51:56) 💌 CBK & JFK Jr. Deep Dive — why Carolyn Bessette Kennedy and John F. Kennedy Jr. still haunt the culture (01:01:14) 👑 American Royalty — JFK Jr.’s upbringing, public expectations, and living in a permanent spotlight (01:15:40) 🕶️ Carolyn’s Mystique — privacy, fashion mythology, and how her image became the moment (01:21:59) 💼 Meeting the Kennedys — media pressure, Ethel Kennedy’s questions, and the cost of being watched (01:33:44) 🗞️ Engagement Fights — paparazzi culture, narrative-making, and Carolyn vs the Kennedys (01:56:17) 🕊️ The Plane Crash — John’s need to fly, Carolyn’s fear, and a dark night EarlyBird CBD: Visit http://www.EarlyBirdCBD.com and use code PA20 for 20% off. Hero Bread: Go to hero.co and use code POP at checkout. Revolve: Shop at http://REVOLVE.com/POP and use code POP for 15% off your first order. #REVOLVEpartner SKIMS: Shop my favorite bras and underwear at http://www.skims.com/pop #skimspartner Booking.com: https://www.booking.com Book today on the site or in the app! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Lauren and Chanler debrief the emotional chaos of Valentine’s Day. They react to Ryan Murphy’s Love Story and Taylor Swift’s latest music video. They also unpack the Apple Martin rumor mill, vent about the lack of movement in the Nancy Guthrie case, and the very public CEO cheating scandal. timestamps: (00:01:16) 💘 Valentine’s Day Reality — low-stakes relationship fights, prefix menu hell, and date-night movie choices (00:16:00) 📺 “Love Story” Premiere — first reactions, Carolyn Bessette hairology, JFK Jr., and modern attempts to recreate an era (00:34:40) 🎶 Taylor Swift’s New Video — mixed reactions, obvious references, and when visuals change how a song lands (00:41:59) 🧒 Apple Martin Rumors — viral bullying allegations, nepo baby narratives, and responding to internet lore (00:47:43) 🕵️‍♀️ Nancy Guthrie Update — stalled investigations, public tips, and investigation frustration (00:49:32) 🍼 Rumer Willis’ Single Mom Talk — privilege discourse, burnout, and what “having it all” actually looks like (00:57:46) 🚨 CEO Cheating Scandal Update — viral concert fallout, crisis PR optics, and staged paparazzi moments (01:01:05) ✨ Bronwyn Newport’s New Chapter — moving forward, fresh romance energy, and post-divorce confidence (01:03:11) ✈️ Brooks Nader’s Travel Disaster — food poisoning on a flight, intrusive travel fears, and worst-case scenarios (01:06:55) 🍾 RHOBH Recap — Dorit & Mauricio tension, Hamptons vs. LA energy, and group dynamics shifting EarlyBird CBD: Visit http://www.EarlyBirdCBD.com and use code PA20 for 20% off. Athletic Greens: Go to https://www.drinkag1.com/apologists to get their best offer on your first subscription order. HERS Weight Loss: Visit https://forhers.com/APOLOGISTS to get a personalized, affordable plan that gets you. Marley Spoon: Head to https://www.MarleySpoon.com/offer/POP for 45% off your first order and free delivery. #marleyspoon #mymarleyspoon Quince: Go to Quince.com/APOLOGIST for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns. Booking.com: www.booking.com Book today on the site or in the app! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Lauren and Chanler open with peak psychosis-energy banter before diving into a week that somehow manages to be both unserious and extremely heavy. From Bad Bunny’s Super Bowl moment and Kendall Jenner’s courtside energy to a gutting breakup announcement, and the latest on the Epstein files and Prince Andrew, the girls unpack how pop culture, power, and PR spin collide in real time. timestamps: (00:03:10) ✨ NYC Dating Maintenance — spray tans, beauty labor, and what “keeping up” actually looks like (00:11:40) 👑 Meghan Markle Yacht Rumors — House Inhabit claims, old photos resurfacing, and narrative control (00:18:08) ⚖️ Epstein Files Overwhelm — document dumps, psychological whiplash, and why this story hits differently (00:24:30) 🧠 Female Orgasms — Northwestern scientists, different reactions, and hallucinations  (00:29:20) 💔 Britani Bateman & Jared Osmond Split — breakup montages, public grief, and moving on in real time (00:35:15) 🏈 Bad Bunny’s Halftime Show — Spanish-language performance, cultural pride, and internet backlash (00:37:59) 🤝 Kendall Jenner & Hailey Bieber Reaction Cam — being the supportive friend in the stands (00:38:54) 💘 Alix Earle & Tom Brady Return — St. Barts rumors, Super Bowl sightings, and why this feels bigger than a fling (00:40:51) 🚨 Savannah Guthrie Family Update — new videos, ransom notes, and the search intensifying (00:59:00) 👑 Charles Kicks Out Andrew — Royal Lodge removal, public pressure, and palace damage control (01:00:03) 🏰 William & Kate Respond — carefully worded statements, victim language, and what’s left unsaid (01:12:19) 📺 RHOBH — Lisa Barlow and Meredith Marks revisit old wounds, Alexa’s wedding venue becomes a flashpoint, and loyalty lines get redrawn EarlyBird CBD: Visit http://www.EarlyBirdCBD.com and use code PA20 for 20% off. Booking.com: https://www.booking.com Book today on the site or in the app! Macy’s: Shop at https://www.macys.com or in stores now! Caraway: Visit https://www.Carawayhome.com/POP and take an additional 10% off your next purchase. Marley Spoon: Head to https://www.MarleySpoon.com/offer/POP for 45% off your first order and free delivery. #marleyspoon #mymarleyspoon Revolve: Shop at http://REVOLVE.com/POP and use code POP for 15% off your first order. #REVOLVEpartner Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

This week Lauren and Chanler spiral into one of the wildest news cycles of the week. From a chilling breaking-news story involving Savannah Guthrie’s family, to Bella Hadid’s chaotic night out in Texas, Brooklyn Beckham and Nicola Peltz’s full-moon crystal era, and influencer engagement drama that feels ripped from a parody script. The girls unpack grief, fame, money, and the internet’s favorite pastime: making everything messier than it needs to be. timestamps: (00:00:00) 📺 Dying for Sex Obsession — Michelle Williams, Jenny Slate, and why this Hulu show has cracked Chanler open  (00:05:35) 🚨 Savannah Guthrie’s Mom — missing-person fears, police updates, and the internet’s darker theories (00:14:41) 🐎 Bella Hadid & Adan Banuelos Chaos — dive-bar dancing, arrest news with mugshot, and viral video “analysis” (00:26:22) 🔮 Brooklyn & Nicola Moon Rituals — crystal ceremonies, luxury ranch stays, and billionaire vibes (00:29:30) 🧿 The Nicola Peltz Problem — wedding fallout, hot sauce offers, crystals for crystals, and family friction (00:34:26) 🎬 JFK Jr. & Carolyn Bessette Biopic Buzz — trailer reactions, nostalgia bait, and Ryan Murphy expectations (00:37:40) 💑 Timothée Chalamet Asked About Kylie Jenner — marriage questions, PR headlines, and why fans read too much into everything (00:39:38) 🏎️ Kim Kardashian & Lewis Hamilton Rumors — Cotswolds sightings, PR speculation, and elite-circle whispers (00:45:29) 🎉 Taylor Goes Low-Key — after-party energy, fan footage, and strategic absence discourse (00:50:44) 👗 Chappell Roan Grammys Look — sheer gowns, nipple discourse, and shock-value fatigue (00:59:00) 💍 Danielle Bernstein Breakup — influencer engagement collapse, hot mic rumors, and prenup drama EarlyBird CBD: Visit http://www.EarlyBirdCBD.com and use code PA20 for 20% off. Booking.com: https://www.booking.com Book today on the site or in the app! Better Help: This show is sponsored by BetterHelp. Get 10% off your first month at https://www.BetterHelp.com/POPAPOLOGISTS  HERS Weight Loss: Visit forhers.com/APOLOGISTS to get a personalized, affordable plan that gets you. Marley Spoon: Head to MarleySpoon.com/offer/POP for 45% off your first order and free delivery. Quince: Go to Quince.com/APOLOGIST for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns. Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

In this emergency episode, we dive head-first into newly released discovery that blows the Justin Baldoni vs. Blake Lively saga wide open. We break down Jenny Slate’s deposition (and the actual footage that backs it up), unpack Blake and Ryan’s behind-the-scenes power plays with Hollywood royalty, and read the absolutely unhinged emails sent to Matt Damon and Ben Affleck. Plus: Sony executives vent privately about Blake, Ryan Reynolds sends the most try-hard text imaginable to Colleen Hoover, and we revisit the Brooklyn Beckham wedding chaos with fresh context. Buckle up — this one is messy, revealing, and extremely Pop Apologists.  ⏱️ Timestamps & Chapters 00:00 🎬 Intro & why this is an emergency episode 01:00 🧩 Where the Baldoni vs. Lively case stood before the new docs 02:00 👀 Quick pop culture detour: Brooklyn Beckham wedding drama update 03:00 💃 DJ Fat Tony speaks out — what actually happened at the wedding 06:00 😬 Why Nicola Peltz running out crying is the real tell 08:00 🧠 What this says about family dynamics & long-standing tension 10:00 📂 Back to the main event: Justin Baldoni vs. Blake Lively, Part 9 11:00 🧾 Jenny Slate deposition — why this changes everything 13:00 💬 “Hot” / “Sexy” comments explained (and why they mattered) 16:00 🎥 The on-set footage everyone’s been arguing about 19:00 😐 Blake’s micro-expression & Baldoni’s reaction 21:00 🚩 “Missed the sexual harassment training” — unpacking the fallout 23:00 ⚖️ Jenny Slate describes her own uncomfortable experience 26:00 😵 First-day power dynamics & why she didn’t speak up 28:00 📝 Jenny texts her agent: “Justin and Jamie freak me out” 31:00 🧨 “Ted Talk feminist” vs. on-set reality 33:00 📉 How the vibe on set deteriorated after pushback 35:00 🤝 Blake + Jenny texts during filming — corroboration in real time 38:00 🧠 Big take: how both sides can be right (and wrong) 41:00 🎭 Sexual harassment vs. creative overreach — drawing the line 43:00 📨 Blake & Ryan text Matt and Lucy Damon 46:00 🧳 Vacation hijacked for movie notes 😭 49:00 🧠 “Politically it’s cleaner if you log into my account” 52:00 💀 The dead-father comments & cult accusations 55:00 📧 Blake’s email to Ben Affleck (yes, that Ben) 58:00 😬 “Don’t hang up” — ex-coded energy 1:01:00 🎥 Begging for notes from Hollywood royalty 1:04:00 😵 Desperation, delusion, and ego collide 1:07:00 🏢 Sony executives’ private messages leak 1:09:00 💣 “She did it to herself” — epic-level stupid decisions 1:12:00 ❄️ “Bizarrely unhirable” & Eva Mendes-era predictions 1:15:00 📱 Ryan Reynolds texts Colleen Hoover 1:17:00 🤡 Maximum try-hard energy 1:19:00 🧠 Final thoughts: power, ego, and scorched-earth strategy EarlyBird CBD: Visit http://www.EarlyBirdCBD.com and use code PA20 for 20% off. Hero Bread: Go to hero.co and use code POP at checkout. Marley Spoon: Head to MarleySpoon.com/Offer/POP for up to 25 FREE meals. Progressive: Visit https://www.Progressive.com to see if you could save on car insurance. SKIMS: Shop my favorite bras and underwear at http://www.skims.com/pop #skimspartner Booking.com: https://www.booking.com Book today on the site or in the app! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Brooklyn Beckham breaks his silence in a shocking statement accusing David and Victoria Beckham of manipulation, betrayal, and a wedding moment gone horribly wrong. We unpack every claim, the money and power dynamics underneath it all, and what this feud reveals about celebrity family brands. Plus: Ben Affleck politely dismantles a Real Housewives fantasy, and why this week feels like a golden age for gossip historians. 01:10 🌴 Chanler’s Guana Island trip Beach glow, anniversaries, and luxury overload. 12:45 ✈️ Customs chaos A shocking airport mistake. Brooklyn Beckham Feud 14:35 💥 Brooklyn breaks his silence Why this statement changes everything. 16:45 🧠 Celebrity narratives vs. truth What we think we know — and don’t. 18:30 📜 Reading the statement Setting the stakes. 20:45 👗 Wedding dress drama Victoria Beckham vs. Valentino. 24:45 💰 The Beckham name & money Control, contracts, resentment. 29:30 🛟 Brooklyn’s safety net Marriage, wealth, and leverage. 33:00 🩸 “Not blood, not family” The night-before-the-wedding fight. 36:45 🕺 The mother–son dance The most disturbing allegation. 40:00 👀 Witnesses & deleted comments Quiet confirmations. 44:00 🎥 Netflix red carpet tension Cold shoulders and body language. 47:30 👑 Victoria Beckham & control Power shifts inside the family. 50:00 🐕 LA fires & the dog rescue Brand over empathy. 52:30 🤔 Trauma or entitlement? Where sympathy fractures. 55:30 🧩 Final Beckham analysis What feels real — and what’s next. Pop Culture Roundup 57:04 🎬 Ben Affleck & Lisa Barlow A Housewife claim meets reality. 59:00 😶 “I don’t know her” energy Ben’s polite takedown. 01:01:30 📱 Lisa doubles down Why this is elite Housewives behavior. 01:04:00 🏁 Closing thoughts Why none of this is over. EarlyBird CBD: Visit http://www.EarlyBirdCBD.com and use code PA20 for 20% off. Caraway: If you visit https://www.Carawayhome.com/POP you can take an additional 10% off your next purchase. Quince: Go to http://www.Quince.com/APOLOGIST for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns. Progressive: Visit https://www.Progressive.com to see if you could save on car insurance. Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

timestamps: (00:00:00) 🎄 Charleston Christmas Card Scandal — a viral family card, a lawyer husband, and a six-year marriage detonated in public (00:09:45) 💉 Kendall Jenner vs. Reality — “no plastic surgery,” Accutane nose theories, and why the internet isn’t buying it (00:22:19) 🏈 Sydney Sweeney & Scooter Braun — “disrespectful” athlete DMs, female independence, and relationship red flags (00:26:34) 🧾 Brooklyn Beckham Cuts Off His Parents — David & Victoria’s legal notice, Instagram blocks, and family warfare by lawyer (00:36:00) 🏆 Golden Globes Chaos — Nikki Glaser’s monologue, Leonardo DiCaprio jokes, and thirsting over Michael B. Jordan thirst (00:45:15) 💋 Kylie Jenner & Timothée Chalamet — body language, lip-reading culture, and why everyone can’t stop watching them (00:50:28) 🍸 RHOBH: Sutton vs. Jennifer Tilly — sobriety, sensitivity, and a friendship that goes sideways fast (00:55:32) 🧥 Kyle Richards & Dorit Kemsley — PK drama, loyalty lines, and what “neutral” really means (01:00:05) 👠 Rachel Zoe Enters the Chat — unexpected warmth, fashion without the cruelty, and why she’s winning them over (01:02:46) 💎 The Amanda Problem — crystal flexing, “I belong in any room,” money talk, and a new housewife archetype EarlyBird CBD: Visit EarlyBirdCBD.com and use code PA20 for 20% off. Athletic Greens: Go to https://www.drinkag1.com/apologists to get their best offer on your first subscription order. Dime Beauty: Head to DimeBeauty.com and get 20% off your first order with code PODCAST20. HERS Hair: Visit forhers.com/APOLOGISTS to get a personalized, affordable plan that gets you. Progressive: Visit https://www.Progressive.com to see if you could save on car insurance. Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

timestamps (00:00:00–00:06:00) 👗 “T**s out” & Family optics — the Nader sisters, dressing sexy around your parents, and inherited modesty culture (00:06:01–00:12:30) ✈️ Lxury travel truths — honeymoon hotel comparisons, Cancún bookings, and when the dream experience almost collapses (00:12:31–00:19:45) 🎬 Hugh Jackman, Sutton Foster & Kate Hudson — work-husband rumors, jealousy optics, and calling the paparazzi on yourself (00:19:46–00:29:15) 🧡 Timothée Chalamet & Kylie Jenner — award-speech soft launches, “partner” discourse, and why Kylie is actually out of his league (00:29:16–00:35:55) 🕵️ Club Chalamet obsession — fandom gone feral, parasocial ownership, and what happens when a stan gets too close (00:35:56–00:40:50) 🧾 Carole Radziwill & Ghislaine Maxwell — the framed photo mystery, social-circle denial, and what “not knowing” really means (00:40:51–00:41:55) 💎 Dorit & PK fallout — the Birkin comment, public bitterness, and why exes with rude comment are the real red flag (00:41:56–00:46:15) 🚨 Denise Richards & Aaron Phypers — GoFundMe drama, eviction headlines, custody leverage, and emotional manipulation (00:46:16–00:56:00) 🎤 Eras Tour: Marjorie — family legacy, backstage illness, Andrea Swift lore, and a jaw-dropping ring story (00:56:01–01:05:30) 💫 Gracie Abrams vs. Sabrina Carpenter — fangirl energy, reverence for Taylor Swift, and who understood the assignment (01:05:31–end) ❤️ the final show — Travis Kelce’s letter, “love of my life” timing, burnout, and what it means to finally be ready Hero Bread: Go to https://www.hero.co and use code POP at checkout. Progressive: Visit https://www.Progressive.com to see if you could save on car insurance. SKIMS: Shop my favorite bras and underwear at http://www.skims.com/pop #skimspartner Better Help: This show is sponsored by BetterHelp. Get 10% off your first month at https://www.BetterHelp.com/POPAPOLOGISTS  Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

As we close out 2025 and head straight into divorce season, Lauren & Chanler are joined by their favorite recurring guest — their dad, a longtime divorce attorney — for one of your most-requested annual episodes. From Taylor Swift & Travis Kelce’s hypothetical prenup to Golden Bachelor drama, Real Housewives breakups, and messy celebrity divorces, Dad breaks down what actually matters legally (and what’s pure Hollywood fiction). Plus, we answer listener questions on: Prenups vs. no prenupsWhat really happens after 10 years of marriageSubstance abuse, gambling, and domestic violence in divorceWhy mediation without a lawyer can go very wrongRed flags to watch for when dating divorcees It’s informative, unfiltered, funny, and slightly unhinged — exactly how we like to ring in the New Year. 🥂⚖️ ⏱️ Timestamps 00:00 — Welcome to divorce season 🎄➡️💔 01:45 — Introducing Dad (and why listeners love him) 👨‍⚖️❤️ 04:00 — Taylor Swift & Travis Kelce: billionaire prenups explained 💍💰 08:30 — Do you really need a prenup? 🤔📜 12:45 — When prenups backfire emotionally 😬 15:10 — The 10-year marriage rule (myth vs reality) 🔟⚖️ 18:40 — Nicole Kidman & Keith Urban’s sobriety clause 🧾🚫🍷 22:15 — Golden Bachelor divorce + protecting kids’ inheritances 👴💍 27:00 — Kyle Richards & Mauricio: separation dates explained 🏠📅 31:30 — Vocational evaluations & “fake unemployment” 💼📉 34:45 — Divorcing someone with a drinking problem 🍺🚫 39:10 — Dating before divorce: does the court care? 💔➡️❤️ 41:45 — Trusts, inheritances & when kids get paid 💼👨‍👩‍👧 44:30 — Higher-earning wives & alimony fears 💸⚖️ 47:20 — Red flags when dating divorced men 🚩👀 49:40 — Secret gambling & breach of marital trust 🎰🚫 52:30 — Why mediation without a lawyer is dangerous ⚠️📄 55:10 — Emotional abuse vs physical abuse in divorce 🧠⚖️ 57:00 — Final advice, family love & New Year send-off 🥂❤️ Clean Simple Eats: Visit CleanSimpleEats.com and use code POPAPOLOGISTS20 at checkout for 20% off your order. EarlyBird CBD: Visit EarlyBirdCBD.com and use code PA20 for 20% off. Functional Health: Visit www.functionhealth.com/POPAPOLOGISTS or use gift code POPAPOLOGISTS100 at sign-up to own your health. Macy's: Shop at https://www.macys.com or in stores now! HERS Hair: Visit forhers.com/APOLOGISTS to get a personalized, affordable plan that gets you. Drip Drop: Go to dripdrop.com and use promo code POP for 20% off. Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Merry Christmas, Global Elites 🎄 We’re bringing back one of the most unhinged, accidentally iconic episodes in Pop Apologists history. Originally recorded two years ago, Olive Oil & Blood is a time capsule of early-era Lauren and Chanler. First released January 5, 2022. timestamps: (00:00:00) ☕ Caffeine & the Will to Live — post-holiday dread, coffee as medicine, and existential morning spirals (00:05:05) 🍪 Failed Business Fantasies — fresh homemade cookies, startup delusion, and entrepreneurial reality checks (00:10:20) 🧳 Family Visit Trauma — parents in nyc, outdoor dining chaos, and first impressions with ben (00:18:55) 🚕 Mom on the Streets — flirting, micro-aggressions, and being unjaded in new york (00:23:10) 🤠 Yellowstone Discourse — cowboy fantasies vs. reality, cringe dialogue, and farmer-core exposure therapy (00:29:20) 📸 Celebrity Body Politics — david foster, katharine mcphee, and why the caption was the real problem (00:37:45) 💍 Men Behaving Badly — steve lodge, bravo engagements, and patriarchy fatigue (00:39:45) 🧠 Sunday Scaries — millennial work dread, weekend anxiety, and emotional preparation rituals (00:43:50) 🍳 Domestic Reset — cooking resolutions, grocery ambition, and false confidence (00:46:35) 🫒 Olive Oil & Blood — the grocery bag breaks, the fall, the injuries, and instant regret (00:53:00) ❤️ Acts of Service — why the chaos was (almost) worth it and a rare tender moment See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

(00:08:30) — The End of an Era docuseries drops (00:12:24) — The Southport attack segment: Taylor struggles to speak, prepares to meet victim’s families, and absorbs unimaginable grief. (00:18 :00) — Inside the Eras Tour bonus checks: nearly $200M distributed, dancers’ lives changed, and industry norms shattered. (00:21:00) — Dancing is hard: Taylor learning choreography by lyrics, rehearsing with Florence, and spotlight-sharing done right. (00:24:38) — Travis Kelce check-in: the post-London call, Vienna anxiety, and quiet relationship intimacy on display. (00:28:40) — Night time routine: after-concert-ritual, avoiding drug addiction, and crazy sleep schedule. (00:35:00) — Andrea Swift moments: emotional containment, post-tragedy comfort, and the ultimate emotional backbone. (00:36:00) — Surprise guests and backstage vibes: Ed Sheeran appearances and deeply questionable green-room furniture. (00:39:00) — RHOBH whiplash: Kyle & Mauricio’s separation, sad flirting, and sterile bachelor-pad décor. (00:49:48) — Amanda enters RHOBH: Money Queen branding, manifestation courses, and immediate group tension. (00:57:4 0) — Megan King custody update: CPS involvement, medication issues, and a genuinely dark Bravo headline. (01:00:45) — Bronwyn & Todd: open-marriage confusion, emotional whiplash, and new beginnings for Bronwyn Clean Simple Eats: Visit CleanSimpleEats.com and use code POPAPOLOGISTS20 at checkout for 20% off your order. EarlyBird CBD: Visit EarlyBirdCBD.com and use code PA20 for 20% off. Cozy Earth Direct: Head to https://www.cozyearth.com and use our code POP for 40% off! Quince: Go to Quince.com/APOLOGIST for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns. Macy's: Shop at https://www.macys.com or in stores now! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Britani Bateman joins Pop Apologists for a raw, funny, and emotional deep dive into fame, family estrangement, Mormon roots, and her headline-making relationship with Jared. She opens up about rebuilding her bond with daughter Olivia, navigating public criticism, and the reality of dating on reality TV. Britani also breaks down the now-infamous plane incident in chilling detail, including firsthand reactions from flight attendants and passengers. After the interview, Lauren and Chanler unpack Bethenny Frankel’s controversial Architectural Digest feature and viral clapback. The episode wraps with major celebrity updates including Alix Earle, Katy Perry & Justin Trudeau, and Timothée Chalamet & Kylie Jenner. 01:00 — Britani Bateman Joins ❄️ 02:30 — Fame & Fan Reactions 📸 04:00 — Mormon Movies & Acting Roots 🎬 05:30 — Vulnerability & Online Criticism 💬 07:00 — Daughter Olivia & Estrangement 👩‍👧 09:30 — Divorce, Remarriage & Faith ⛪️ 11:00 — The Jared Relationship Update 💔➡️❤️ 13:30 — Breakups, Apologies & Healing 🛠️ 15:30 — Jared’s Reputation with the Cast 👀 17:00 — Donny Osmond & Mormon Celebs 🎤 20:00 — Singing, Flirting & Viral Chaos 🎶💄 25:00 — The Plane Incident Begins ✈️🔥 29:00 — Crying, PTSD & Seatmate Witness 👨‍✈️ 33:00 — Meredith’s Story & Viewer Reactions 🎭 35:00 — Why SLC Is Peak Bravo 🏔️🍿 37:00 — Mormon 3.0 & Returning to Church 🔄 38:30 — Where to Find Britani Online 📱 🔥 After Show Pop Culture Rundown 40:00 — Bethenny’s AD Home Reveal 🏡 43:00 — Neutral Decor vs Airbnb Chic 🛋️ 46:00 — Chevron Wallpaper & Cabana Room 🌊 49:30 — Bethenny Clapback & Real Estate Flex 💰 53:30 — Market Timing vs Design Talent 📊 55:00 — Alix Earle & Braxton Breakup 💔 57:30 — Fame, Youth & Dating Pressure 🌟 59:00 — Katy Perry & Justin Trudeau Go Public 💕 01:01:30 — PDA, Politics & Side-Eye 👀 01:03:30 — Timothée & Kylie Red Carpet 🧡 01:06:30 — Club Chalamet & Fan Culture 🕵️‍♀️ 01:09:00 — Parasocial Obsession Talk 🧠 01:12:00 — Celebrity Stalking Line Debate 🚨 01:14:30 — Pronunciation Fails & Callouts 🗣️ 01:17:30 — Fact-Checking the Podcast ✅❓ 01:20:30 — Taylor Swift Domain Confession 🌐 01:23:30 — Pop Culture Burnout Chat 🫠 01:26:30 — Social Media Spiral 📲 01:29:00 — Reality TV as Escapism 📺 01:31:30 — Final Hot Takes 🔥 01:35:00 — Listener Feedback 💌 01:38:00 — Wrap-Up & Sign-Off 🎤✨ Clean Simple Eats: Visit CleanSimpleEats.com and use code POPAPOLOGISTS20 at checkout for 20% off your order. EarlyBird CBD: Visit EarlyBirdCBD.com and use code PA20 for 20% off. Athletic Greens: Head to https://drinkag1.com/APOLOGISTS to get the welcome kit, a Morning Person hat, a bottle of Vitamin D3+K2, a AG1 Flavor Sampler and you’ll get to try their new sleep supplement AGZ for free. DripDrop: Go to https://dripdrop.com/ and use promo code POP for 20% off your first order. Functional Health: Visit www.functionhealth.com/POPAPOLOGISTS or use gift code POPAPOLOGISTS100 at sign-up to own your health. Progressive: Visit https://www.Progressive.com to see if you could save on car insurance. Wayfair: https://www.Wayfair.com Wayfair. Every style. Every home. Macy's: Shop at https://www.macys.com or in stores now! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

01:00 — Why Millennials Are Obsessed with Lily Again 🌸🎧 Context-setting for her career resurgence and West End Girl. 02:00 — Lily’s Turbulent Upbringing 🏚️➡️🎬 Council housing, financial struggle, divorced parents, and early industry proximity. 04:00 — Nepo Baby? Well-Connected? Both? 🤷‍♀️✨ Exploring Lily’s privilege vs. hardship. 01:01:00 — The Cheating Revelations + Owning Her Story 💔📖 Lily explains why she disclosed everything in her memoir ("I'm sleeping with prostitutes…"). 01:02:00 — The Sobriety Era: Parenting, Presence & Stability 🌱👩‍👧 Her reflections on missing the highs but finally feeling grounded. 01:03:00 — Lily + David Harbour: Raya Match to Marriage ❤️🔥 Their connection, his quotes about her presence and vibrancy. 01:08:00 — The Open Marriage Era & Internet Reactions 👀💬 You revisit your past TikTok takes + new empathy after learning her story. 01:09:00 — Critics Weigh In: The Guardian & Rolling Stone 🌟🎵 Five-star reviews and why West End Girl hits emotionally + musically. 01:10:00 — Favorite Tracks & Lyrical Moments 🎶✨ “Dallas Major” stuck in your heads, the dignity lyric from “Let You Win.” 01:11:00 — Final Thoughts + Swiftie Detour (Because of Course) 🫶🐍 All roads lead back to Taylor; closing the deep dive. Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Lauren interviews Melissa Coleman (“Mrs. Derm”), a no-BS skincare voice married to renowned dermatologist Dr. Patrick Coleman. Mrs. Derm reveals her minimalist routine, Retin-A secrets, melasma fix, why EU sunscreens leave the U.S. in the dust, and her unfiltered takes on plastic surgery and celebrity facelifts. 00:00 — Why Skincare Feels So Confusing: Setting the Record Straight 🎙️ A warm intro + what this episode will actually teach you (and why it matters). 00:14 — The Real AM Routine: What You Should Use (and What You Should Ditch) 🧴 Simple, effective steps for every skin type — no 12-step nonsense, no marketing fluff. 00:26 — Fine Lines, “Smoker Lines,” and the Truth About Genetics vs. Habit 😮‍💨 Who gets them, why they happen, and what can actually reduce them. 00:28 — Can You Start Retin-A Later in Life and Still See Results? 🚭✨ Melissa’s own late-start Retin-A story — proof it’s never too late. 00:29 — What Retin-A Really Does: Texture, Pores, Pigment & Tightness 🧪 A science-backed breakdown of what improves, what doesn’t, and how long it takes. 01:14:00 — The Ageless Woman Story: What Monthly Peels Can Achieve 😳✨ A real example of jaw-dropping skin transformation — and what was behind it. 01:15:00 — Peels vs. Lasers: When Each One Works Best 🔥 A roadmap for choosing the right treatment for clarity, texture, or anti-aging. 01:36:00 — LED Masks: What NASA Actually Studied vs. What Instagram Sells You 🚫💡 Cutting through the hype: when (and if) LED truly does anything. 01:41:00 — Exosomes: The $3k Treatment People Regret Most 💸 The split-face experiment that exposed whether they actually work. 02:13:00 — Celebrity Facelift Discourse: Emily Blunt & the Internet’s Double Standard 💬🔥 Why women get dragged online for procedures — and Melissa’s viral take. 02:14:00 — Why Many Women Keep Their Cosmetic Surgery Private 👀 A candid look at judgment, safety, and privacy in the beauty world. 02:28:00 — The “Mask Slipping” Aging Theory: A Simple Way to Understand Facial Aging 🎭 A visual analogy that explains what’s falling, shifting, and why treatments work. 02:29:00 — Final Advice: What to Focus on at Any Age 👋✨ Her practical, no-BS roadmap for skincare, treatments, and aging gracefully. Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

(00:00:00) — Airline rage: JetBlue snacks, Delta trauma, and Biscoff as a war crime. (00:03:30) — Zach Bryan’s sobriety post + Brianna Chickenfry déjà vu. (00:11:05) — Queen Camilla’s “weight loss” gaffe + hypnotist diets of the British elite. (00:17:10) — Meghan Markle’s Harper’s Bazaar profile: duchess announcements & jam philosophy. (00:26:40) — The NYT surrogacy scandal: forged signatures, Zoom fraud, and 15 children. (00:37:12) — Secret Lives of Mormon Wives: Jessi, Jordan’s TikTok blackmail, and a chaotic marriage. (00:41:55) — Meghan King loses custody: the strange CPS timeline. (00:44:16) — Bill Belichick at 24-year-old girlfriend’s adult cheer nationals + Jordon Hudson’s glam. (00:47:33) — RHOSLC: Todd & Bronwyn’s surreal open-marriage convo. (00:53:40) — Britani vs. Jared: creek fights, wedge heels, and fifth-grade flirting. (00:56:00) — Lisa & John Barlow: marriage unraveling on camera. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

(00:00:00) – Layla Joins the Show: Season 3 reactions, Jessie confrontation setup, and Marciano bombshell fallout. (00:05:12) – The Kiss, the Cialis & the Lie Detector: Jessie’s texts, Jordan overhearing everything, and why Marciano’s Botox face wasn’t giving anything away. (00:10:24) – Demi vs. The Villa Timeline: The accusations, the confusion, the face-times, and why the girls felt emotionally manipulated. (00:15:36) – Is There a Layla & Demi Friendship Left?: Layla breaks down boundaries, cordial coexistence, and the moment she stopped believing Demi’s version. (00:26:00) – Whitney and Layla on Dancing With the Stars: How Whitney’s season arc shifted, why she ran to St. George, and where friendships stand now. (00:31:12) – Filming Logistics & The Reality of MomTok Fame: Five-day shooting weeks, who films the most, why kids stay off camera, and protecting boundaries. (00:36:24) – The Mormon Community, Image Management & Garments Era: Initial backlash, cultural shifts, and how converting helped Layla during a dark chapter. (00:41:36) – Hair Journeys, Identity & Reclaiming Self-Image: Layla’s switch to a new hairstylist, the emotional weight of fitting in, and the sweetest glow-up. (00:46:48) – Sex, Orgasm Taboo & Mormon Girlhood: Vibrators, sexual shame, becoming orgasmic, and the DMs that poured in after Layla opened up. (00:52:00) – Taylor, Dakota & the Endless Loop: Did Dakota hook up with a “friend”? Did he hook up with Leanne? (No.) Their impossible chemistry examined. (00:56:12) – Post-Interview Chat: Lauren and Chanler grace us with their presence and chat about the weekly topics. (01:10:50) – BravoCon Energy & The Return of Flipping Out: Jeff Lewis is coming back, Chandler battles loyalty to Heather McDonald, and the girls debate the greatest shows on Bravo. (01:14:50) – Wendy Williams: Conservatorship, Not Dementia: The reveal that Wendy doesn’t have dementia, $200k Uber Eats bill, and how banks flag erratic spending. (01:20:00) – The Tina Brown Era Returns: Why Tina is core to Pop Apologists history, her NYT interview, and why they’re obsessed. (01:26:00) – Queen Elizabeth Shielding Prince Andrew: How the late Queen’s loyalty shielded Andrew, creating an environment where he stayed safely tucked behind palace walls even as pressure mounted. Clean Simple Eats: Visit CleanSimpleEats.com (http://cleansimpleeats.com/) and use code POPAPOLOGISTS10 at checkout for 10% off your order. EarlyBird CBD: Visit EarlyBirdCBD.com (http://earlybirdcbd.com/) and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 20% off. Cozy Earth Direct: Head to https://www.cozyearth.com (http://cozyearth.com/) and use our code POP for 40% off! Progressive: Visit https://www.Progressive.com (https://www.progressive.com/) to see if you could save on car insurance. Quince: Go to Quince.com/APOLOGIST (http://quince.com/APOLOGIST) for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns. Booking.com: Book today on the site or in the app! Macy's: Shop at https://www.macys.com (https://www.macys.com/) or in stores now! Uncommon Goods: Get 15% off your next gift at https://www.uncommongoods.com/podcast/pop! Wayfair: https://www.Wayfair.com (https://www.wayfair.com/) Wayfair. Every style. Every home. Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Lauren and Chanler are back, and the delusion is in-season. From Golden Bachelor heartbreak to Kardashian conspiracies, the girls spiral through the week’s most unserious chaos — with morally corrupt pranks, PR flops, and billionaire birthday parties galore. Lauren kicks things off with a sick-in-the-head deep dive into Gerry Turner’s memoir (yes, the Golden Bachelor himself) and her impassioned “Justice for Theresa” movement. The sisters unpack Lauren’s morally bankrupt auntie era and Pookie & Jett’s Hermès-themed first birthday party for Paloma. Lastly, the sisters break down Kris Jenner’s 70th bash — complete with appearances from Jeff Bezos, Meghan Markle, and Kim K’s TikTok vlog. They also dive into the All’s Fair premiere, Kim’s alleged bar exam failure, Shay Mitchell’s controversial kids’ skincare line, and a Taylor Swift wedding theory that might just send the internet into cardiac arrest. (00:00:00) — Tuesday confessionals, NYC weather updates, and prepping for the Layla interview. (00:03:42) — Lauren’s Golden Bachelor memoir deep dive + the “Smoothies for Theresa” merch moment. (00:09:15) — The $20 prank that turned Lauren into a morally bankrupt auntie. (00:14:50) — Pookie & Jett’s Hermès birthday: the influencer-industrial complex strikes again. (00:22:11) — Kris Jenner’s 70th birthday: Jeff Bezos hosting, Harry & Meghan’s attendance, and Kim K’s party vlog. (00:27:39) — Meghan Markle pregnancy rumor + Kim’s post-party photo dump drama. (00:33:08) — Kim fails the bar exam: ChatGPT-coded announcement + “future lawyer” jokes gone wrong. (00:40:25) — All’s Fair review: Kim’s camp masterpiece + the unrealistic “ass-out” suit. (00:52:19) — Shay Mitchell’s kids’ skincare line and the unhinged influencer logic behind it. (00:59:34) — Taylor Swift’s rumored bridesmaids list + wedding speculation spirals. Clean Simple Eats: Visit CleanSimpleEats.com and use code POPAPOLOGISTS10 at checkout for 10% off your order. EarlyBird CBD: Visit EarlyBirdCBD.com and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 20% off. Progressive: Visit https://www.Progressive.com to see if you could save on car insurance. Booking.com: Book today on the site or in the app! Macy's: Shop at https://www.macys.com or in stores now! Uncommon Goods: Get 15% off your next gift at https://www.uncommongoods.com/podcast/pop! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Lauren’s back from a 24-hour flu, a hangover, and a full-blown moving meltdown — and somehow lived to tell the tale. Meanwhile, Chanler holds down the fort (and books an exclusive with their celebrity sister, Courtney Grow). Before Chan interviews Courtney, the girls dive in to a couple of headlining stories. From Hugh Jackman’s ex plotting a bombshell tell-all, to David Harbour’s cringe Esquire interview, to Prince Andrew finally being stripped of his titles — the girls cover every messy man making headlines this week. They also get into Meghan Markle’s latest Page Six rumor, the Vanderpump Rules reboot that nobody asked for, and the rise and fall of The Row’s “cool girl” mystique — before Courtney joins for a deep dive on Botox, luxury retail horror stories, and why she’s done being treated like gum on someone’s shoe. (00:00:00) — Lauren’s weekend from hell: hungover move, the flu, and Kagen’s “water safety training.” (00:08:27) — Deborra-Lee Furness’ revenge memoir: Hugh Jackman fallout + “shop that tell-all, baby.” (00:11:44) — David Harbour’s Esquire interview, Lily Allen’s comeback, and the “artist excuse” for adultery. (00:15:33) — Millie Bobby Brown’s harassment claim against David Harbour + Netflix’s silence. (00:34:57) — Prince Andrew stripped of royal titles: why the palace only acts when it’s self-preservation. (00:40:10) — Vanderpump Rules reboot: why lightning never strikes twice. (00:46:19) — Courtney Grow joins: Botox, Sculptra, and exosome intel. (00:54:00) — The Row drama: influencer backlash, jelly shoe horror stories, and sample-sale delusion. (01:08:00) — Luxury retail icks: “oh honey, we don’t messenger to Brooklyn.” (01:10:00) — Marriage after four kids: sex, exhaustion, and staying connected. FTC: Clean Simple Eats: Visit CleanSimpleEats.com and use code POPAPOLOGISTS10 at checkout for 10% off your order. EarlyBird CBD: Visit EarlyBirdCBD.com and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 20% off. Booking.com: Book today on the site or in the app! Better Help: This show is sponsored by BetterHelp. Get 10% off your first month at https://www.BetterHelp.com/POPAPOLOGISTS  Nature’s Sunshine: 20% off your first order plus free shipping. Go to http://naturessunshine.com and use the code POP at checkout. Quince: Go to http://Quince.com/APOLOGIST for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns. Macy's: Shop at https://www.macys.com or in stores now! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Lauren and Chan are back for Episode 300 (!) and the pop culture chaos did not take a week off. From The Row’s unhinged sample sale — where minimalism met full delusion — to Lily Allen’s scathing divorce album, the girls unpack every inch of the internet’s collective spiral. They also dive into Lori Loughlin’s marriage fallout (and the rumors that won’t die), Nara Smith’s suspiciously glamorous postpartum content, and why men — from Hugh Jackman to David Harbour — will, indeed, fail you every time. (00:00:00) — Back in the studio: weekend wedding + running into an ex - the reality vs our fantasies. (00:18:00) — The Row sample-sale deep dive: lines, $900 blazers, and why the internet lost it. (00:24:00) — Row receipts: what actually looked good (and what looked like Banana Republic). (00:29:00) — Lori Loughlin & Mossimo Giannulli: rumors, strip-club reports and prenup talk. (00:41:22) —Katy Perry and Justin Trudeau seen leaving Crazy Horse in Paris. (00:45:00) — Nara Smith: postpartum photo debate — virtue messaging vs. thirst trap. (00:52:00) — Trigger Warning: the new, horrifying allegations against Prince Andrew. (01:04:00) — Lily Allen — West End Girl: the album as a breakup audiobook + David Harbour fallout. Clean Simple Eats: Visit CleanSimpleEats.com and use code POPAPOLOGISTS10 at checkout for 10% off your order. EarlyBird CBD: Visit EarlyBirdCBD.com and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 20% off. Booking.com: Book today on the site or in the app! Clean Safe Products: Go to Cleansafeproducts.com/POP for $15 off the Green Mitt Kit. Dime Beauty: Head to DimeBeauty.com and get 20% off your first order with code PODCAST20 Function Health: Visit www.functionhealth.com/POPAPOLOGISTS or use gift code POPAPOLOGISTS100 at sign-up to own your health. Revolve: Shop at REVOLVE.com/POP and use code POP for 15% off your first order. #REVOLVEpartner Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Lauren and Chan are back this week breaking down the royal exile heard ’round the world — Prince William reportedly won’t invite Prince Andrew to his coronation. Then, Gwyneth Paltrow calls her biographer a “hack” (and compares herself to Steve Jobs). Jennifer Lopez’s ex-husband also reappears with a full Notes App essay, Kristen Bell accidentally offends the internet, and The Louvre’s missing jewels become the chicest crime of the year. 00:00 — Chanler’s influencer trip with Courtney & Lauren’s water crisis in Puerto Rico 09:10 — The viral “money must flow” theory and Ben’s reaction to spending 11:05 — Kristen Bell’s dark anniversary caption during Domestic Violence Awareness Month 24:30 — Gwyneth Paltrow’s British Vogue interview and her “hack” comment about Amy Odell 31:10 — J.Lo’s ex-husband’s unhinged Instagram essay about their 11-month marriage 40:55 — John Stamos calls Lori Loughlin’s ex “a terrible narcissist” 48:55 — The Mango founder’s deadly “fall” and suspicious family drama 58:40 — The Louvre’s crown jewel heist — how it happened in 7 minutes 1:04:20 — Prince William won’t invite Prince Andrew to his coronation — Booking.com: Book today on the site or in the app! Clean Safe Products: Go to Cleansafeproducts.com/POP for $15 off the Green Mitt Kit. Cozy Earth Direct: Head to cozyearth.com and use our code POP for 40% off! Function Health: Visit www.functionhealth.com/POPAPOLOGISTS or use gift code POPAPOLOGISTS100 at sign-up to own your health. Wayfair: Head to Wayfair.com right now to shop all things home. Macy's: Shop at macys.com or in stores now! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

We sit down with NYC dermatology PA and friend of the pod, Alison Lester, for a deep, practical walk-through of modern aesthetics. We cover when to start Botox (and how often), why provider credentials and restraint matter, what’s actually behind the “no-tox” scare posts, and the truth about filler—migration, overfilling, dissolving, and why “villain era” is mostly bad work, not bad products. We also map a sane skincare routine (the three essentials!), tackle melasma without wrecking your skin barrier, compare lasers (IPL/BBL vs. Clear + Brilliant/Moxi vs. CO₂), and get real about masseter Botox, jowls, Sculptra, Morpheus8, and surgical timing. High-yield, no gatekeeping. 04:45 — 🧠 How to choose a qualified injector (credentials, ethics, taste) 07:10 — 💉 Botox 101: When to start, 12–16 week cadence, “collagen paperclip” analogy 12:00 — 🧪 Botox brands explained (why Alison prefers on-label Botox for predictability) 19:20 — 🚫 “No-tox” & safety: botulism fears, real risks vs. viral anecdotes 22:00 — 🧵 Filler truth: migration, overfilling, ethics, and why good work is invisible 28:15 — 😊 Smile lines & “smoker lines”: skin boosters, lasers, Botox microlines strategy 31:10 — 👀 Under-eyes & dark circles: pinch test, lasers vs. bleph, why under-eye filler is rare 37:30 — 🧴 Skincare that works: the 3 essentials (antioxidant/Vit C, sunscreen, retinoid) 43:00 — 🌫️ Melasma game plan: low-and-slow, microneedling, Pico/Clear + Brilliant, TXA/Botox microdosing 46:30 — 🛠️ Devices decoded: IPL/BBL, Clear + Brilliant/Moxi, CO₂; when each shines 48:00 — 📉 Morpheus8: where it helps… and where it’s overhyped (fat loss risk) 49:30 — 🧯 Sculptra: what it is, where to place, surgery considerations 54:00 — 😬 Masseter Botox & jowls: who’s at risk and how to counteract it 56:30 — 🔪 Early jowl fixes vs. facelift timing; neck bands & prejowl filler 1:02:00 — 🧼 Dissolving filler: myths, ultrasound, and maintenance mindset 1:06:00 — 🪞 Aesthetic dysmorphia & “filler blindness”: evolving standards of beauty 1:09:00 — 🧠 How injector perspective changes over time 1:12:00 — 🗣️ Seeing natural aging vs. intervention signs 1:21:00 — 🌕 Best lasers for pores + “moon crater” fix talk 1:24:00 — 🔥 Fraxel vs. Clear + Brilliant / Moxi / Ultra for melasma 1:27:00 — ⚠️ Laser heat depth and flare risk 1:30:00 — 💡 LED vs. laser masks 1:33:00 — 🧴 Skincare layering & barrier repair 1:36:00 — 💊 Retinoids, exfoliants, and realistic routines 1:39:00 — 🧍‍♀️ Long-term maintenance mindset 1:45:00 — 🚩 Provider red flags & aesthetic ethics 1:48:00 — 🔮 Future of injectables and devices 1:54:00 — 🧭 Virtual consults, office info, and booking process 1:57:00 — 🗽 Alison’s NYC location + pricing overview 2:00:00 — 💕 Wrap-up + goodbye Clean Simple Eats: Visit CleanSimpleEats.com and use code POPAPOLOGISTS10 at checkout for 10% off your order  EarlyBird CBD: Visit EarlyBirdCBD.com and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 20% off Clean Safe Products: Go to Cleansafeproducts.com/POP for $15 off the world’s easiest soft surface cleaning solution. Functional Health: Visit www.functionhealth.com/POPAPOLOGISTS or use gift code POPAPOLOGISTS100 at sign-up to own your health. Progressive: Visit Progressive.com to see if you could save on car insurance. Quince: Go to Quince.com/APOLOGIST for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns. Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

It’s The Life of a Showgirl week, and Lauren & Chanler are in full Swiftie-monastery mode 🎧🥂. From champagne chaos to lyrical deep dives, the sisters break down Taylor’s new album track by track — from the haunting beauty of “The Fate of Ophelia” and the cinematic glow of “Elizabeth Taylor,” to the swagger of “Father Figure” and the ache of “Eldest Daughter.” They unpack fan theories, emotional whiplash, and what this new Taylor era really says about growing up in public. 🔥📚 00:00 — 🥂 Cold open: champagne mishap, “we’re ensconced,” and setting the stage for Showgirl 03:40 — 🎧 First-listen vs. private-listen energy — what this album demands from its listeners 07:05 — ✨ A special message from Lauren for Swifties contending with this album 11:15 — 📈 Lyric discourse & “range” talk — the internet’s hottest takes meet Pop Apologists analysis 16:50 — 🌀 Track 1: The Fate of Ophelia — Hamlet lore, megaphone/TNT references, and dance-bop redemption 21:00 — 💍 Track 2: Elizabeth Taylor — Portofino, engagement reads, and “cry my eyes violet” becomes canon 29:20 — 🌈 Track 3: Opalite — opal-sky joy, lightness after darkness, and a subtle jab at the phone-obsessed ex 36:40 — 🕴️ Track 4: Father Figure — Borchetta-to-Braun power flip, mob-movie fantasy, and “this empire belongs to me” 47:10 — 💌 Track 5: Eldest Daughter — internet apathy vs. sincerity, bridge of the album, “I said I was busy — that was a lie” 54:25 — 🕯️ Track 6: Ruin the Friendship — false Blake Lively hopes, grief, nostalgia, and second-period heartbreak 1:03:00 — 💋 Track 7: Actually Romantic — the Charlie XCX feud unpacked, petty meets poetic 1:11:50 — 🪩 Track 8: Wi$h Li$t — ambition, consumerism, and the cost of wanting everything 1:19:15 — 🌲 Track 9: Wood — sensual domestic peace and the “grown-up” Taylor love song 1:27:05 — 🔥 Track 10: Cancelled! — chaos, commentary, and whether it’s satire or self-own 1:34:30 — 🍯 Track 11: Honey — sweetness, defiance, and soft healing energy 1:38:10 — 🎭 Track 12: The Life of a Showgirl (ft. Sabrina Carpenter) — a shimmering closer on fame, femininity & control Clean Simple Eats: 20% off at CleanSimpleEats.com/POPAPOLOGISTS20  EarlyBird CBD: Visit EarlyBirdCBD.com and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 20% off Better Help: This show is sponsored by BetterHelp. Get 10% off your first month at BetterHelp.com/POPAPOLOGISTS. Cozy Earth Direct: Head to cozyearth.com and use our code POP for 40% off! Nature’s Sunshine: 20% off your first order plus free shipping. Go to naturessunshine.com and use the code POP at checkout. Progressive: Visit Progressive.com to see if you could save on car insurance. Revolve: Shop at REVOLVE.com/POP and use code POP for 15% off your first order. #REVOLVEpartner Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

We kick off with an intro-music meltdown (ft. cursed AI jingle) before diving into Taylor Swift album week—no leaks, only joy. Then Selena Gomez & Benny Blanco’s whimsical wedding, the viral Taylor “toast” rumor, and Super Bowl halftime buzz. Sister Wives returns with Cody & Robyn’s monogamy vows and chaos, followed by the shock split of Nicole Kidman & Keith Urban, Reese’s spot-on impression, and our call to rename the fandom (RIP Pop Apostles 😅). 00:00 — ⏰ Intro Music Meltdown: our theme song fails + AI jingle disaster 05:00 — 🎧 Taylor Swift Album Week: why we’re banning leaks and spoilers 08:00 — 🛋️ Therapy & Scheduling: keeping sane during launch week 12:00 — 💍 Selena Gomez & Benny Blanco’s Wedding: details on the ceremony + guests 16:30 — 🥂 Taylor Swift’s Speech at the Wedding: breaking down the viral “toast” rumor 22:30 — ☂️ Selena’s Wedding Guests: umbrellas, privacy rules, and Ralph Lauren looks 26:00 — 🎸 Ed Sheeran at the Wedding: the performance and reactions 28:00 — 🏟️ Super Bowl Halftime Rumors: who’s in, who turned it down, and why it matters 39:00 — 🐷 Sister Wives Season 20: Cody’s “I’m a guy” comment and family pushback 45:00 — 💍 Cody & Robyn’s Monogamy Dinner: “You and me, baby—monogamy” moment 52:00 — 💔 Nicole Kidman & Keith Urban Separation: what we know so far 56:30 — 🪨 Celebrity Couple Rankings: rethinking our “Mount Rushmore of Monogamy” 1:01:00 — 🎭 Reese Witherspoon Imitates Nicole Kidman: lighthearted moment + Nicole’s future 1:02:30 — 👋 Closing Thoughts: retiring “Papa Apostles” and picking a new fandom name Clean Simple Eats: 20% off at CleanSimpleEats.com/POPAPOLOGISTS20  EarlyBird CBD: Visit EarlyBirdCBD.com and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 20% off Hero Bread: Go to hero.co and use code POP at checkout for 10% off. Progressive: Visit Progressive.com to see if you could save on car insurance. Quince: Go to Quince.com/APOLOGIST for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns. Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

We go long on two very different “nepo baby” journeys: Zoë Kravitz—from Topanga Canyon rules to rock-star Miami, acting breakthroughs (Big Little Lies, The Batman), directing Blink Twice, YSL muse status, and that headline-friendly dating history—then pivot to Gracie Abrams—JJ’s daughter with a whisper-cutting pen, from SoundCloud to opening ERAS, writing “Us” with Taylor, and a moody-artist friend web that keeps the lore lore-ing. Expect fashion, friendship matrices, messy kitchens, edible confessions, and a surprisingly useful fire-safety tangent. Are they “nepo”? Sure. But the talent shows up on mic and on screen. Chapter Timestamps 00:00 — 🎙️ Cold open + why Zoë & Gracie now02:00 — 🧬 Zoë origin: Lenny, Lisa, Roxy Roker (icon!) #294 Ep Nepo Babies Deep Dive07:00 — 🌲 Topanga vs. 🐍 Rockstar Miami: two childhoods collide12:00 — ⚠️ Eating disorder years + New York move, acting school15:00 — 🎬 Indie starts → X-Men, Divergent17:30 — 🌊 Big Little Lies breakout (we relive the theme song moment)19:10 — 🦇 The Batman = cultural cementing21:00 — 🎥 Director era: Blink Twice (née P***y Island)24:00 — 💄 YSL muse energy + “getting ready” vibe check26:00 — 🫶 Inner circle: Taylor, Rihanna, Miley (and the snake story)29:00 — 💘 Dating timeline speed-run (Penn, Drake, Fassbender, etc.)37:00 — 💍 Paris wedding vibes → divorce → Channing arc (engaged ’23, split ’24) #294 Ep Nepo Babies Deep Dive44:00 — 🗞️ Mini “scandals”: Oscars caption, the resurfaced Jaden quote49:00 — 📣 Ad Break (Macy’s Fall Guide) #294 Ep Nepo Babies Deep Dive52:00 — 🎼 Gracie origin: the journaler with a piano, LA → Barnard56:30 — 😬 First shows + nerves, why the songs land60:00 — 🎧 “I Miss You, I’m Sorry” becomes a thing63:00 — 🫶 Sour tour → ERAS opener, Taylor collab “Us”68:00 — 🔥 Fire blanket PSA (lol but actually helpful)72:00 — 🕸️ The friend/love web: Olivia, Phoebe, Paul Mescal, etc. #294 Ep Nepo Babies Deep Dive85:00 — 🏁 Wrap + who we should deep-dive next Booking.com: Book today on the site or in the app! Clean Safe Products: Go to Cleansafeproducts.com/POP for $15 off the world’s easiest soft surface cleaning solution. Cozy Earth Direct: Head to cozyearth.com and use our code POP for 40% off! Macy’s: Shop at macys.com or in stores now! Quince: Go to Quince.com/apologist for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns. Wayfair: Wayfair.com Wayfair. Every style. Every home. Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

🎙️ Episode Summary Sisters catch-up (👗 wardrobe wars + ✈️ travel dread), Meta’s new auto-dubbing weirdness 🤯, Meghan’s jam saga 🍓, Ireland Baldwin’s love letter to Hilaria ❤️, Pamela + Liam—PR or passion? 👀, Kyle & Mauricio’s family vibes at Alexia’s wedding 💍, Kendall & Gigi’s Vogue cowgirl cover 🐎👒, Kate’s rapid un-blonding 💇‍♀️, Taylor’s understated ring price 💍💸, the wild Turkey height-reduction surgery trend 🦵, and a deep dive on The Cut’s “Forever 35 Face” facelift wave 🧖‍♀️. ⏱️ Chapter Timestamps 00:00 — Plunging necklines 👗, sister outfit politics, and setting the vibe 03:30 — Long-haul Hawaii flight fear 🌺: meds, meals, and economy survival 09:30 — Meta auto-dubbing our reels 🎥: mouths match, voices cloned 12:15 — Meghan’s jam: the refund that arrived… open 😳 16:00 — Ireland Baldwin’s glowing ode to Hilaria ❤️ 21:00 — Pamela Anderson & Liam Neeson: PR stunt or real fling? 🔥 24:30 — WWHL night out + Maude Apatow memory lane 🍸 28:00 — Kyle & Mauricio walk Alexia down the aisle 💍👨‍👩‍👧 32:00 — Vogue cover: Kendall & Gigi’s ranch chic 🌾 vs. “too cool” debate 41:00 — Kate Middleton un-blondes back to brunette 💇‍♀️ 45:30 — Taylor’s vintage-style ring 💍: why the $250k estimate makes sense 48:00 — Turkey’s height-reduction surgeries 🦵😬 53:00 — The Cut’s “Forever 35 Face”: facelifts at 35?! 🧖‍♀️ Clean Simple Eats: 20% off at CleanSimpleEats.com/POPAPOLOGISTS20 Macy's: Shop at macys.com or in stores now. EarlyBird CBD: Visit EarlyBirdCBD.com and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 20% off Booking.com: Book today on the site or in the app. Progressive: Visit Progressive.com to see if you could save on car insurance. Nature’s Sunshine: Go to naturessunshine.com and use the code POP at checkout for 20% off. Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Therapy can wait—pop culture can’t. Lauren and Chanler unpack With Love, Megan (why José Andrés is the missing co-host), the Pamela Anderson × Liam Neeson “PR bake-off,” why couple-prank TikToks feel like Dante’s 9th circle, a viral aesthetician chemical-peel horror story, Brittany Mahomes’ 30th with Taylor in Nashville vs. Selena’s Cabo bachelorette, and the latest Kris Jenner/Corey Gamble breakup rumblings. Tech gremlins struck mid-record…so we’re unlocking our joyous Taylor Swift × Travis Kelce engagement special (timeline, ring, and Ed Kelsey revelations). Vote in our Spotify poll for next deep dive! Chapter Timestamps 00:00 — Therapist on hold; Lauren’s solo PR weekend & With Love, Megan ☕️ 02:30 — Why the show needs a high-energy foil (enter José Andrés) ✨ 05:00 — Pamela × Liam: PR stunt…or PR about a PR stunt? 🎬 14:00 — TikTok “I pranked my husband” couples = actual nightmare 📱 19:30 — The Beverly Hills chemical-peel disaster & safety PSA 🧪 24:10 — Brittany’s 30th: Taylor in Nashville vs. Selena’s Cabo trip 🎉 27:10 — Kris & Corey rumor mill, NDAs, and “payday” threats 💼 34:00 — Tech issues → unlocked: Taylor & Travis engagement special 💍 35:30 — Backyard proposal, timeline, and first reactions 🥂 38:00 — Chandler sees the engagement news mid–Q&A, Lauren in therapy 📱 41:00 — Group chat chaos: only two on FaceTime at first 🫠 43:30 — Champagne at 10 a.m.; heteronormative jokes & name-change debate 🍾 47:00 — Proposal vibe: private, cozy, not performative 🌳 50:00 — Engagement timeline decoded: why now ⏳ 52:30 — Ed Kelsey’s viral quote: “She was getting antsy” 🗣️ 55:00 — Reading the photos: backyard setting, candid feel 📸 58:00 — Headphone-crease Easter egg & Swiftie sleuthing 🔍 1:01:00 — Why Travis works: antidote to Taylor’s brooding-artist exes ❤️ 1:04:00 — The ring: vintage aesthetic, Swift-coded style 💎 1:08:00 — Family lore: Swift & Kelsey group chat reactions 👨‍👩‍👧‍👦 1:11:00 — Wrapping the joy: Taylor’s new “domestic, happy” era 🌟 1:12:00 — Proposal vibes revisited: cozy backyard details 🌳 1:15:00 — Timing theories: career windows, 2-year milestone, tour break ⏰ 1:18:00 — Ed Kelsey quote unpacked: Swiftie reactions 🗣️ 1:22:00 — Close-reading leaked pics: candid vibes & headphone crease 📸 1:26:00 — Why Travis balances Taylor’s past loves ❤️ 1:30:00 — Ring deep dive: cut, carat, vintage inspiration 💍 1:34:00 — Family group chat lore & reactions 👨‍👩‍👧‍👦 1:38:00 — Wrapping with joy: Taylor’s fairytale moment 🌟 1:41:00 — Engagement euphoria cool-down: what this means for her next era ✨ 1:47:00 — Back to With Love, Meghan: struggle to fill content, “thank God for Taylor’s engagement” 🥂 1:48:00 — Brutal timing: teaser same day as New Heights pod + engagement on premiere 📺💔 1:49:00 — Not “Meghan-coded,” just bad luck; no Harry, only crew at finale 🎥 1:49:30 — Meghan × cameraman (glasses guy) = more chemistry than guests 😂👓 1:50:00 — Rosewater spray = rare fun sparkle ✨🌹 → sign-off: “Love you guys, see you Wednesday!” Booking.com. Booking.YEAH! Macy’s: Shop now at macys.com or in stores now! Progressive: Try the Auto Quote Explorer at progressive.com BetterHelp: This is an advertisement from Better Help. Our listeners get 10% off their first month at BetterHelp.com/POPAPOLOGISTS Cozy Earth: Visit CozyEarth.com for 40% off with code POP Hero Bread: 10% off using code POP at hero.co Quince: Go to Quince.com/apologist for 365-day returns, plus free shipping on your order! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Gwyneth wipes her IG avatar and drops a cinematic “new chapter” reel—memoir incoming? We connect the dots, then dive into that Ben Affleck discourse (technically excellent… and reportedly livid). Next up: Burning Man déjà-dust, Zoë Kravitz’s very public summer (Harry Styles, Austin Butler), and the legendary “snake in Taylor’s bathroom” story. Serena Williams opens up about GLP-1s and a Ro partnership, we unpack the optics, and we parse those Wayfarer/Justin Baldoni court docs everyone’s calling a “smear campaign” against Blake Lively. Finally, RHOSLC’s chaotic trailer and a very cute 30th birthday recap. Buckle in.  00:00 Intro & studio glow-up + brunette banter 💡💇‍♀️ 04:00 Burning Man dust-storm PTSD & “art cars are… floats?” 🌪️🚐 15:00 Gwyneth’s IG wipe + collage reel: is it a book? 📖✨ 19:00 Ben Affleck “livid” over bedroom chatter (Amy Odell tie-in) 😳☕️ 25:00 Zoë x Harry (and Austin), hotness rankings, boyish vs. broad 🌶️💋 32:00 Taylor Swift snake story: bathroom demolition for a reptile 🐍🛁 36:00 Serena Williams on GLP-1s + Ro partnership: destigmatize or #ad? 💉🏅 39:00 Chandler turns 30: art, rings, and three massive bouquets 🎂🎁 43:00 Wayfarer/“smear” headlines vs. what the docs actually say ⚖️📄 47:00 RHOSLC trailer chaos: powdered wigs & pointed reads 🥶🍷 50:00 Meghan Markle chatter: rebrands, shade, and Sussex fatigue 👑📰 See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

From a brazen Food52 embezzlement to Meghan’s Netflix “first-look” spin, plus Margaret Qualley’s cringe moment, K-Fed’s tell-all, Leo’s eternal 32—and the nothing-burger “dark truth” about Pooky & Jet.  00:00 🎧 — Cold open: today’s menu 01:00 🎂 — Chan turns 30 (homebody chic) 05:20 🍞 — Food52 scandal: Studio 52, luxe receipts, and “how did no one notice?”  12:30 👑 — Meghan’s trailer vs. Taylor’s takeover (and why the vibes feel copy-paste S1)  18:40 📺 — The jukebox-parlor music bit & what would actually make Meghan’s show pop  23:10 📰 — Netflix “first-look” explained (not a fat renewal—here’s what it really means)  27:20 🎤 — Margaret Qualley’s awkward answer about Taylor & Jack (tone tells all)  31:00 📚 — K-Fed’s tell-all and Sam Asghari’s “professional father” crack  35:10 💬 — Why “full-time dad” ≠ hero arc (context matters)  36:30 🕺 — Leo “feels 32” (and the obvious joke)  39:45 💑 — Pooky & Jet: the “dark truth” that wasn’t (performative ≠ sinister)  45:00 🧳 — Lightning round: what show should the Sussexes actually make? Booking.com. Booking.YEAH! BetterHelp: This is an advertisement from Betterhelp. Our listeners get 10% off their first month at BetterHelp.com/POPAPOLOGISTS Macy’s: Shop now at macys.com or in stores now! Quince: Go to Quince.com/apologist for 365-day returns, plus free shipping on your order! Progressive: Try the Auto Quote Explorer at progressive.com Cozy Earth: Visit CozyEarth.com for 40% off with code POP Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Taylor Swift just hijacked the entire Pop Apologists docket — and Chanler & Lauren are living for it! From cryptic orange sparkles to a khaki skirt, a mint briefcase, and one very un-Swift-like F-bomb, the girls deep-dive every Easter egg, theory, and reveal surrounding TS12. Plus, a swoon-worthy GQ profile of Travis Kelce, the TikTok saga that broke their brains, and a dash of celeb vow renewal gossip to round it out. Timestamps: 00:00 – 🎤 TS12 announcement reactions & New Heights teaser 07:00 – 🎶 Album sound rumors & producer lineup 15:00 – 📀 Release date theories & cover art leaks 20:00 – 🎧 Why Taylor choosing a podcast is a power move 25:00 – 🕵️‍♀️ Easter eggs that led to TS12 35:00 – 🎭 Album title debate: Life of a Showgirl 39:00 – 📋 Playlist clues & production style predictions 40:00 – 📰 Travis Kelce’s GQ profile & relationship insights 47:00 – 💪 Travis on Taylor’s work ethic & humility 53:00 – 🏈 Childhood, family values & shared backgrounds 57:00 – 💍 Nicola Peltz & Brooklyn Beckham vow renewal 59:00 – 🌀 “I Fell in Love with My Psychiatrist” TikTok deep dive Booking.com. Booking.YEAH! Clean Simple Eats: 10% off at CleanSimpleEats.com/POPAPOLOGISTS Macy’s: Shop the Big Home Sale at macys.com or in stores now! EarlyBird CBD: Visit EarlyBirdCBD.com and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 20% off Progressive: Try the Auto Quote Explorer at progressive.com Wayfair: Head to Wayfair dot com right now to shop all things Home. Wayfair. Every style. Every home. Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Gwyneth Paltrow might be one of the most beautiful, hated, privileged, and mystifying celebrities alive—and this week, Chanler sits down with journalist and author Amy Odell to unpack it all. From Oscar meltdowns to Goop jade eggs and $200K necklaces, the girls dig into what makes Gwyneth so adored… and so triggering. (00:00:00) 📚  Introduction to Gwyneth: The Biography by Amy Odell (00:01:55) 👸 Why choose Gwyneth Paltrow for the next biography? (00:05:20) 💎 Her Oscar win & the $200K necklace (00:09:01) 🏡 The bubble of her bi-coastal, wealthy childhood (00:11:47) 🎭 From dramatic roles to comedic flops (00:17:55) 🔥 What Gwyneth represents and why she is a trigger to some (00:24:36) 🧠 Goop work culture and employee drama (00:29:39) 🛍️ The future of Goop and the Target line failure (00:39:27) 🧾 Insights on the 220 people interviewed for the biography (00:42:32) 🎬 Growing up in the shadow of Bruce Paltrow and Blythe Danner (00:59:32) 💘 Gwyneth’s love interests throughout the years Booking.com. Booking.YEAH! Clean Simple Eats: 10% off at CleanSimpleEats.com/POPAPOLOGISTS Macy’s: Shop the Big Home Sale at macys.com or in stores now! BetterHelp: Our listeners get 10% off their first month at BetterHelp.com/POPAPOLOGISTS Cozy Earth: Visit CozyEarth.com for 40% off with code POP Hero Bread: 10% off using code POP at hero.co EarlyBird CBD: Visit EarlyBirdCBD.com and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 20% off Progressive: Try the Auto Quote Explorer at progressive.com  Quince: Go to Quince.com/apologist for 365-day returns, plus free shipping on your order! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Lauren’s back from Italy and just in time — because Travis dropped a 13-photo grid hard launching Taylor that basically broke the internet. Chanler catches her up on every sparkly-filtered slide. The girls question if this could mean wedding bells? And the real reason so many brands chimed in on the comment section. (00:00:00) ✈️ Postcards from Italy — Lauren’s friend-filled vacation and her texting boundaries abroad  (00:06:28) 💑 Taylor & Travis Go Public — 13 photos, soft-launch culture, and the wholesome vibes of each pic  (00:19:07) 📱 The Filter Debate — Sparkly edits, signature cameras, and why Taylor’s aesthetic never changes  (00:20:20) 🏰 Chrishell & G Flip’s Third Wedding — Medieval theme, guest fatigue, and how to lose friends annually  (00:23:48) 😬 Beckham Family Feud — Cursed Notes, Instagram blocks, awkward weddings, and very public shade  (00:36:18) 🚤 Yacht Wars — $16M vs. billionaire-level $400M boats, and Sir Elton’s peacekeeping tour  (00:44:05) 🔭 The Coldplay Kiss-Cam Scandal — Public makeouts, lawsuits, and the downfall of Astronomer  (00:51:00) 🌿 Gwyneth’s Surprise Cameo — Her comedic timing, rumored $2M payout, and the copper-fit hustle  (00:56:20) 🧼 Goop vs. Rhode — Hailey Bieber’s billion-dollar exit vs. Gwyneth’s grind  (00:58:00) 📣 What’s Next — Matty Healy’s mom, Katy Perry, Sydney Sweeney and more coming in Friday’s Global Elite episode BetterHelp: Our listeners get 10% off their first month at BetterHelp.com/POPAPOLOGISTS  EarlyBird CBD: Visit EarlyBirdCBD.com and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 20% off Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

In this bonus episode, Chanler is joined by her husband Ben and their wedding planner, Laura from Love, Laura. We discuss what it actually takes to plan a wedding that feels intentional, elevated, and true to you. From walking away from their original venue to rethinking the wedding party altogether, this conversation goes deep on the emotional, logistical, and aesthetic realities of modern wedding planning — with expert advice from Laura herself. Check out Love, Laura on Instagram www.instagram.com/lovelauraevents  Check out Love, Laura events www.lovelaura.co  (00:00:00) 💍 Where to Start — the foundation of a great wedding and why your planner actually matters (00:08:32) 🥂 Defining Your Style — avoiding trend traps, trusting your gut, and staying true to your vision (00:16:40) 🎻 Making It Meaningful — how to create a ceremony that feels intimate, not performative (00:22:13) 🪑 The Guest List Equation — setting boundaries, navigating family politics, and curating with intention (00:28:48) 🧠 Avoiding the Spiral — decision fatigue, emotional overload, and how to reset when it gets too much (00:37:05) 👗 Dress Wisdom — why it’s okay to change your mind, and how to find a look you actually feel good in (00:43:41) 📸 Capturing the Moment — trusting your team, letting go of the shot list, and being present (00:52:20) 💒 Final Advice — Laura’s golden rule, Ben’s hot take, and the one thing every bride should prioritize Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

This week, Lauren and Chanler sit down with the legendary jewelry designer, Jade Trau, for a glimmering deep dive into the art of jewelry that empowers, carries memories, and actually fits your lifestyle. From self-gifting diamond bracelets to refreshing engagement rings, this episode is a masterclass in fine jewelry. ✨ Check out Jade Trau jadetrau.com  Use code POPAPOLOGISTS at checkout for 10% off your order Cozy Earth: Go to cozyearth.com and use code POP for 40% off best-selling temperature-regulating sheets, apparel, and more. Hero Bread: Go to hero.co and use code POP at checkout to get 10% off your order. Quince: Go to Quince.com/apologist for free shipping on your order and 365 day returns. CashApp Download Today: https://click.cash.app/ui6m/5bx4lt9z #CashAppPod As a Cash App partner, I may earn a commission when you sign up for a Cash App account. Cash App is a financial services platform, not a bank. Banking services provided by Cash App’s bank partner(s). Prepaid debit cards issued by Sutton Bank, Member FDIC. Visit cash.app/legal/podcast for full disclosures. (00:00:00) 💎 The Roman Empire Is Real — Lauren’s obsession with Jade, push presents, and showroom dreams (00:10:05) 🎯 Imposter Syndrome & Value — deciding to do the thing anyway (00:18:34) 💍 Jewelry As Identity — self-purchasing women, wearable power, and middle finger diamonds (00:28:41) 🌎 Jewelry & Sustainability — vintage stones, timelessness, and why it’s not like fast fashion (00:36:12) ✨ Where to Start — fine jewelry 101: ears first, personality always (00:39:48) 🧠 Styling with Intention — when jewelry feels like you, and why that’s everything (00:44:55) 💘 Engagement Ring Refresh — what’s trending (or not), and how to reimagine your forever (00:55:40) 🚩 Red Flags — what to watch for in quality, materials, and brands Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

From crayon-sketched love letters to a full-blown national manhunt, Lauren and Chanler unravel the sharpest left turn in Pop Apologists history. What starts as a casual Bin Laden doc spiral turns into a CIA-level obsession, a George Bush fangirl confession, and an unhinged (but stunning) PR breakdown of America’s longest-running villain arc. BetterHelp: Our listeners get 10% off their first month at BetterHelp.com/POPAPOLOGISTS  Wayfair: Shop outdoor furniture, grills, lawn games, and WAY more for WAY less. Head to Wayfair.com right now to explore a HUGE outdoor selection. Progressive: Give it a try at Progressive.com  (00:00:00)💍 Next Week Teasers — Courtney Grow, Sam from Sauce Media, and Chanler’s wedding planner ep reveal (00:05:00) 🎯 Why Bin Laden? — Netflix recs, moral anxiety, and Obama’s situation room doc teaser (00:08:30) 👳‍♂️ Osama Bin Laden Origins — Billionaire roots, Mecca PR flops, and why he ghosted Saudi royalty (00:14:10) 💣 First Attacks + Fatwas — The Kenya and Tanzania embassy bombings and FBI’s first miss (00:22:55) 🕊️ 9/11 Memories — Living in New York post-attack, national grief, and the last time we all agreed on something (00:24:10) 💌 Chanler’s Letter to George Bush — American flags, colored pencils, and “wonderful presidents” (00:36:00) 🕵️‍♀️ The Woman Behind the Win — Torture, aliases, and the analyst who refused to let go (00:43:25) 📊 Obama’s Big Call — Debating the odds, scheduling the raid, and the worst neighbors ever (00:48:05) 🔫 The Kill Shot — 40 minutes, a hallway, and the quietest end to a global obsession Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

It’s a LadyGang x Pop Apologists crossover! No dating dilemma is safe. Lauren and Chanler join forces with Becca, Keltie, and Jac to break down the ultimate red flags in a man. Everything from mattress-on-the-floor energy to exes who still use Snapchat. They swap stories about musicians with “permanent rizz,” weigh in on cat dads, cargo pants, and settle the debate once and for all: Can a man be too outdoorsy?  💌 Check out Lady World Festival: ladyworld.co 🎧 Listen to the LadyGang podcast: LadyGang Earlybird: Visit EarlyBirdCBD.com and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 20% off Quince: Go to Quince.com/apologist for free shipping on your order and 365 returns Cozy Earth: Go to cozyearth.com and use code POP for 40% off Progressive: Give it a try at Progressive.com (00:00:00) 🎙️ The Girlies Meet — LadyGang joins the Pop Apologists for a red flag reckoning (00:03:00) 🎸 Dating the Same Guy from Panic! at the Disco — Mutual exes, fan blogs, and teen heartbreak origins (00:06:00) 🧠 Does Musician Rizz Expire? — Hot now, not later, and the Mark McGrath paradox (00:09:15) 🧢 Cargo Pants + Brad Falchuk — Gwyneth’s husband, Roman Empires, and unexpected green flags (00:11:50) 📱 Reels, Ring Lights, and the Male Influencer Ick — Social media addiction as a red flag (00:17:00) 🛋️ Furniture Fails + Red Flag Decor — Gaming chairs, mom co-signs, and bean bag nightmares (00:22:00) 📸 Venmos, Vibes, and Financial Reality Checks — Mint accounts, fake entrepreneurs, and how to math the math (00:28:30) 🏕️ Camping Trauma + Capitalism Compatibility — Tarps, canyons, and the war on flip flops (00:35:40) 🧾 Prenups, Debt Reveals, and the $10 Million Lie — Financial transparency vs. love blindness (00:44:55) 💔 Do Men Ever Change? — Ryan Ross, Jax Taylor, and the myth of the reformed cheater (00:47:10) 👻 Snapchat and Other Modern Red Flags — Disappearing messages, ex-girlfriend mysteries, and online horniness (00:48:40) 🔨 Sam Asghari: General Contractor Edition — Why construction jobs might be the new green flag (00:50:10) 💋 Do He Go Down Though? — Oral reciprocity, period squeamishness, and what it says about him Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

This week, the ultimate chaos agent Jessi Ngatikaura joins Lauren and Chanler to talk about fame, friendship feuds, and what really goes down behind the scenes of Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. From business blow-ups to relationship red flags, Jessi doesn’t hold back—and neither do your hosts. 💅 Check out Jessi on Instagram @jessijayngatikaura Check out Jessi’s Hair Salon www.jzstyles.com  (00:00:00) 🎥 Behind the Curtain — What Jessi didn’t expect when the show dropped, and how Utah reacted IRL. (00:04:58) 💇‍♀️ Faith, Hair, and Fallout — Running a business in Utah County, balancing Mormon expectations, and bracing for public backlash. (00:10:58) 📉 Jen & Zac’s Messy Arc — Church drama, text receipts, and one unexpected redemption arc. (00:14:50) 💬 Taylor Frankie Paul: Icon or Chaos? — Jessi’s real-life friendship with Taylor, her thoughts on Dakota, and what we didn’t see on camera. (00:18:30) 💥 Hairgate + Demigeddon — What really went down at Saints & Sinners, and why one healing session couldn’t fix the betrayal. (00:26:00) 🧪 Layla, Miranda, and the Spicy Cast Additions — Who brought it, who played it safe, and what’s coming next. (00:32:10) 🔄 Mormon Marriage + Glow-Ups — Jessi on her thyroid surgery, plastic surgery transparency, and the cultural double standards in Utah. (00:38:40) 🔮 Swinging Culture + Mormon Complications — Upside-down pineapples, spiritual loopholes, and what the church says (or doesn’t) about ketamine. (00:43:15) ⚔️ Mikayla vs. Whitney — Feuds, fractures, and where Jessi sees it all heading next season. (00:46:40) 🧁 MomTok Constitution? — Breadwinners, Botox, and redefining Mormon motherhood on TikTok. (00:50:05) 📣 Viewer DMs Save Lives — How Jessi caught a thyroid issue thanks to vigilant fans, and what her recovery journey looked like. Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Lauren and Chanler spiral through the chaos of quitting corporate life, the psychosis of mushroom pilots, and why Planet Bibi wants you to orgasm for an hour. They unpack Meghan and Harry’s long game (including a 2027 olive branch??), compare two wildly tone-deaf weddings, and read anonymous Hampton confessions that will make you think twice before trusting any Birkin. Plus: what Alex Cooper’s doc revealed, and how a TikTok account inspires Lauren. Check out our amazing sponsors: Clean Simple Eats: Shop CleanSimpleEats.com and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 10% off! Earlybird: Visit EarlyBirdCBD.com and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 20% off. Rocket Money: Reach your financial goals faster with Rocket Money. RocketMoney.com/POP Thrive Market: Head over to ThriveMarket.com/POP to get 30% off your first order and a FREE $60 gift. (00:00) 🧠 Chanler’s Meta exit, full-time freedom, and reclaiming her brain (08:05) ✈️ Plane crash psychosis + how to boof your way out of a nosedive (13:02) 🍄 Pilot on mushrooms and Lauren’s derealization trip in Mexico (19:07) 💦 Planet Bibi's 25 orgasms + bedroom ergonomics exposed (23:04) 🎧 Alex Cooper’s doc, her stalker coach, and becoming a one-woman media empire (29:01) 🎙️ Meghan Markle ends her podcast (again) + Emma Grede keeps it real (32:46) 👑 Meghan & Harry’s 2027 olive branch, royal family freeze-out, and Charles shade (36:55) 💒 Blake’s plantation wedding backlash + Bezos & Lauren’s chaotic Venice plans (41:01) 📱 Taylor and Blake’s texts ruled admissible—what are they hiding? (44:46) 🏛️ Daily Dose Donna’s site visit + Blake’s wedding venue in question (51:21) 💼 Hamptons club debt, fake Birkins, and financial denial in zip code 11937 Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

This one’s for the girls who grew up on TRL, cried to Fearless, and low-key still know all the words to “He Could Be the One.” Nora Princiotti joins Lauren and Chanler to talk about the evolution of authenticity in pop, Miley’s totally unfiltered bombshells, and whether Taylor Swift might be pulling off the greatest long game in music history. Check out Nora’s book and podcast here: 📖 Hit Girls by Nora Princiotti 🎧 Every Single Album Check out our amazing sponsors: Clean Simple Eats: Shop CleanSimpleEats.com and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 10% off! Earlybird: Visit EarlyBirdCBD.com and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 20% off. Cozy Earth: Go to cozyearth.com and use code POP for 40% off best-selling temperature-regulating sheets, apparel, and more. Progressive: Visit Progressive.com to see if you could save on car insurance. Quince: Go to Quince.com/apologist for 365-day returns, plus free shipping on your order! Nutrafol: For a limited time, Nutrafol is offering our listeners $10 off your first month’s subscription and free shipping when you go to Nutrafol.com and enter the promo code POP. (00:00) 🎤 Introduction — Meet Nora Princiotti and the book that rewrites pop history: Hit Girls. (04:58) 👩‍🎤 Authenticity in Pop — Ashlee Simpson, Avril Lavigne, and why being “real” became a trap. (10:22) 🎧 Poptimism vs Rockism — What’s “real music” anyway? We dive into the early 2000s’ biggest culture war. (19:00) 🌸 Interviewing Miley Cyrus — Nora’s interview with Miley, unfiltered stories, and emotional honesty from the popstar. (26:00) 💿 Miley Album Recs — Where to start if you’ve only heard “Flowers” and “Party in the U.S.A.” (36:10) 🎶 “Since U Been Gone” — The story behind Kelly Clarkson’s scream-your-heart-out hit and the pop comeback no one saw coming. (43:56) 🪩 Taylor Swift — The rerecords, the rage, and her business plays... Did she devalue her own masters on purpose? (47:58) 👑 Brat Summer & Cowboy Carter — Cultural saturation, chart performance, and what we’re actually listening to. Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

If you like chaos, congratulations, this episode is tailor-made for you. We’ve got major courtroom drama in the Blake Lively vs Justin Baldoni case, Taylor Swift blending into Travis Kelce’s family wedding, Meghan Markle twerking (?), and a manifestation debate no one asked for. Plus, the woo-woo polyamory breakdown that needs to be studied. (00:00) 👩🏼‍⚖️ Blake Lively vs. Justin Baldoni - Court bombshells, conspiracy theories, and one very shady filing. (12:59) 💍 Taylor Swift at Travis Kelce’s Family Wedding - We’re talking dresses, dancing, and… was that a Swiftie infiltration? (19:46) 👑 Meghan Markle’s Hospital Dance Video - Is it cute or is it cringe? Discuss. (26:13) 🌻 Hailey Bieber’s Therapeutic Summer - Instagram captions don’t lie. We decode. (31:59) 🍼 Lauren Bostick Manifested Motherhood - What she said about fertility broke the internet. Let’s unpack. (42:28) 🔥 Expanded Monogamy, Burning Man, and The Goddess Pipeline - Truly one of the craziest things we’ve ever covered. Brandy Melville models involved. Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. Rocket Money: Reach your money goals faster with Rocket Money at RocketMoney.com/POP #sponsored For more Pop Apologists, follow along at: @popapologists on Instagram Pop Apologists on YouTube To support the show, consider subscribing on Patreon or anywhere you listen to podcasts, where you can get bonus episodes of Pop Apologists every Monday and Friday! See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Chanler’s back from the flight from hell—complete with zero legroom, tarmac heat, and a bralette breakdown. Lauren lands from St. Barth and immediately roasts the snack box struggle. The sisters debrief their Juicy Scoop appearance, dish on Brooklyn upgrades, and dive into the latest Karen Read courtroom twists. Then it’s The Valley's most overblown scandal (a pantry tequila swig??), Blake Lively’s legal backpedaling, Taylor Swift’s mini dress moment, and why Ubah’s fiancé might be the hottest man in Bravo history. Timestamps: [00:00] ✈️ Flight from Hell — Chanler barely survives United's final row with no AC, no food, and full claustrophobia. She strips. Literally. [10:00] 🎤 Juicy Scoop & Jet Lag — Post-interview blackout and a proud sister moment over their Heather McDonald appearance. [11:30] 🏡 Brooklyn Era Incoming — Chanler shares details on her dreamy new apartment: double square footage and heated bathroom floors. [15:00] ⚖️ Karen Read Trial Gets Messier — FBI investigations, hostile witnesses, and a town with collective amnesia. It’s getting wild. [20:00] 🍾 Pantrygate on The Valley — Did a secret tequila swig mean more? Janet stirs the pot hard and the girls call BS on the drinking drama. [25:00] 💔 Jesse & Michelle Meltdown — Jesse’s verbal abuse, Michelle’s glow-up, and why divorce might’ve saved her personality. [28:00] 🧾 Blake Lively's Legal Retreat — She’s trying to drop the emotional distress claim—but keep her options open? We see you, Blake. [33:00] 🎭 Sutton Foster Steps Out (Silently) — Hugh Jackman’s girlfriend skips the press line while Deborra-Lee Furness drops spiritual shade. [36:00] 👠 Taylor Swift at Monkey Bar — Black mini dress, diamond tennis bracelet, and... platform heels? The girls weigh in on the look. [40:00] 👙 Bethenny’s Bikini Clapback — Bethenny hits the swimwear runway and defends her “cute tush.” The sisters are divided. [45:00] 🩻 Kylie’s Boob Job Details — 450cc, moderate profile, under the muscle. Kylie finally shares her plastic surgery specs. [50:00] 💍 Ubah Gets Her Man — Ubah Hassan’s new fiancé is hot, tall, and rich. Chanler is unwell. Jill Zarin thinks it’s divine intervention. [55:00] 💔 Lauren Sanchez Grace Clause — Why does Sutton get heat but Lauren Sanchez gets worshipped? The girls make their case. Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. For more Pop Apologists, follow along at: @popapologists on Instagram Pop Apologists on YouTube To support the show, consider subscribing on Patreon or anywhere you listen to podcasts, where you can get bonus episodes of Pop Apologists every Monday and Friday! See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

This week, Lauren and Chanler are coming to you from full LA trip prep mode. From Beyoncé's celestial performance to Mormon Wives chaos, they're breaking down the biggest stories. Expect mystery, mom drama, reality TV breakdowns, and one very bold Vogue request. • [00:00] 🎬 Packing, filming, and a camera setup saga—plus, why Chanler is unusually zen pre-LA • [07:46] 🎤 Beyoncé’s LA concert: iconic cameos, wardrobe wins, and a soft launch for Jay-Z's redemption arc? • [13:46] ⚖️ Karen Read trial deep dive: conspiracies, Facebook moms, and a possible swingers' night with a garage door guy • [24:11] 🥃 Sandy Cohen, The OC, and an unforgettable party moment involving a very lost wristwatch • [26:51] 📺 Secret Lives of Mormon Wives: friendship fallouts, glam mom interventions, and shifting alliances on-screen • [39:21] ✂️ Book deals, hair-related shade, and the moment the group chat energy shifted on camera • [41:41] 🍼 Emotions run high with a pregnancy reveal and a redemption arc that hits surprisingly hard • [47:11] 💍 Engagement rumors swirl as an NFL legend updates his yacht name and sparks internet theories • [50:11] 👑 Meghan Markle’s alleged pitch to be on every Vogue cover—and what reportedly happened next • [53:41] 🧾 Brittany Bateman’s legal drama heats up—featuring lawsuits, former friends, and court filings • [56:51] 💸 Dakota Johnson talks rent struggles, career rejections, and what “making it” actually looked like Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial  interest in products or services referred to in this episode. OneSkin: Get 15% off OneSkin with the code Popapologists at https://www.oneskin.co/ #oneskinpod #sponsored For more Pop Apologists, follow along at: @popapologists on Instagram Pop Apologists on YouTube To support the show, consider subscribing on Patreon or anywhere you listen to podcasts, where you can get a bonus episode of Pop Apologists every Monday and Friday! See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Fresh off their Ballerina Farm pilgrimage, the girls are back—and chaos reigns. Lauren and Chanler unpack the alleged threat Blake Lively’s legal team made against Taylor Swift (yes, the one about exposing 10 years of private texts 😳). Then it’s a deep dive into the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives: ketamine therapy, family betrayal, facelifts, and MomTok delusions. Plus, major developments in the Karen Read trial and Cassie Ventura’s devastating testimony in the Diddy case. You’re not ready. 👀 ⏱️ Chapter Timestamps: [00:00–01:00] 🐄 Back from Ballerina Farm: A recap of their visit to Utah with Courtney Grow [01:00–13:00] 💔 Taylor vs. Blake: The alleged threat, the fallout, and the godmother betrayal [13:00–16:00] 👀 Travis Kelsey unfollows Ryan, Reputation (TV) hints, and the AMAs theory [16:00–44:00] 🎬 Secret Lives of Mormon Wives S2: Taylor’s heartbreak, toxic parents, and ketamine therapy [44:00–45:30] ✈️ PSA: Why Provo dating is a danger zone [45:30–54:00] ⚖️ Karen Read trial update: Discredited expert testimony, taillight confusion, and police cover-up concerns [54:00–55:30] 😠 Sgt. Yuri Bucha's shady performance on the stand [55:30–01:02:00] 💣 Diddy trial: Cassie’s testimony, freak off allegations, and the breakdown of his decade-long abuse [01:02:00–01:03:00] 🧠 Why this matters: justice for victims and Cassie’s stand [01:03:00–01:04:00] 🎤 Outro: Upcoming content, love for the Global Elite, and farewell until Friday Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. For more Pop Apologists, follow along at: @popapologists on Instagram Pop Apologists on YouTube To support the show, consider subscribing on Patreon or anywhere you listen to podcasts, where you can get bonus episodes of Pop Apologists every Monday and Friday! See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Lauren and Chanler’s dad, a family law attorney, returns to share legal wisdom on divorce, prenups, and child support, plus wild stories like chasing stolen goods. They reflect on their LDS upbringing, raising five daughters, and pursuing dreams at any age. ⏱️ Timestamps [00:00–02:00] 🎙️ Dad’s Return Listener love brings Dad back. [02:00–04:00] 💕 Deb’s Friendship Dad cherishes his 42-year marriage. [04:00–09:00] 👧 Raising Daughters Mom’s strictness, faith, and reading shaped success. [09:00–10:00] ⚖️ Baby Names Courts don’t block odd names. [10:00–13:00] 💸 Income Lies Fight ex’s fraud; ditch shady lawyers. [13:00–17:00] 🕵️‍♂️ Attorney Choice Pick specialists, trust gut, watch judges. [17:00–19:00] 💳 Blocked Accounts Lawyer up for support orders. [19:00–21:00] 💼 Post-Divorce Work Both spouses must work; skills matter. [21:00–23:00] 😈 Bad Behavior Affairs rarely affect no-fault divorce. [23:00–27:00] 👨‍👧 Five Girls Dad navigated hormones; Mom was strict. [27:00–30:00] 💔 Divorce Tips Seek faith, a friend; try saving marriage. [30:00–33:00] 📈 Impulsive Divorces More common, but kids suffer. [33:00–38:00] ⚖️ Law Path Started law at 30 with three kids. [38:00–41:00] 🚀 Chase Dreams Pursue goals at any age. [41:00–44:00] 📝 Prenups Fair prenups share future earnings. [44:00–48:00] 🧗‍♀️ College Days Lauren’s risky dates; sisters’ server jobs. [48:00–50:00] 🦅 Daughters’ Paths All chose bold careers, not law. [50:00–52:00] 💡 New Careers Nursing, paralegal, sales for reentry. [52:00–57:00] 🚨 Wild Tales Limo attorney; stolen goods chase. [57:00–59:00] 💰 Greed’s Cost Hidden assets don’t pay off. [59:00–01:01:00] 🌟 No Status Raised valuing love, not pedigree. [01:01:00–End] 🎤 Sign-Off Dad’s 25 followers get love. Follow: @popapologists Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. For more Pop Apologists, follow along at: @popapologists on Instagram Pop Apologists on YouTube To support the show, consider subscribing on Patreon or anywhere you listen to podcasts, where you can get bonus episodes of Pop Apologists every Monday and Friday! See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

The girls are back from wedding bliss and diving headfirst into hot topics—from a possible Taylor Swift pregnancy to Diddy’s disturbing trial details. Chanler dishes on an unexpected urgent care visit, while Lauren unpacks blind items about Blake Lively’s rumored fallout with Taylor. They debate the Karen Read trial, analyze Meghan and Harry’s Beyoncé date night, and break down why a 24-year-old pageant queen is outsmarting all of us with $9 million in real estate. Drama, speculation, and Chanel denim slander—this episode has it all. [00:00–03:00] 💊 Post-Wedding Urgent Care Chanler reveals her rough post-honeymoon health scare and how “traveler’s issues” sent her to urgent care. [03:00–05:00] 🌽 Mother’s Day & Corn Cob Shame The girls reflect on a sweet Mother’s Day… until a corn-eating incident leaves Lauren humiliated. [06:00–08:00] ⚖️ Should They Cover the Diddy Trial? They discuss whether they should pivot into full-on legal podcasters and break down audience appetite for darkness. [08:00–10:00] ☕ Taylor & Travis Reappear! Taylor and Travis were spotted with both moms on Mother's Day, sparking pregnancy or engagement rumors. [10:00–12:00] 👜 The Chanel 25 Bag Debate Lauren critiques Taylor’s controversial denim Chanel bag and the brand’s identity crisis. [12:00–15:00] 🤰 Engagement or Baby on the Way? Speculation: is Taylor secretly pregnant—or just shopping hobo bags with bad posture? [15:00–18:00] 💍 DeuxMoi’s Blind Hint + Pregnancy Test Panic A DeuxMoi tease hints at an engagement, while Chanler has her own pregnancy test scare. [19:00–21:00] 🧐 Karen Read Trial Talk Begins The girls passionately defend Karen and wonder why the supposed “cover-up crew” seems so bad at covering up. [21:00–27:00] 🧪 Karen Theories & Cocktail Glass Debate In-depth theorizing: how did the glass stay intact? Why did no one text about the body? They’re confused and obsessed. [29:00–32:00] 📣 Taylor Subpoenaed in Blake Lawsuit Taylor’s fiery denial of involvement in “It Ends With Us” is dissected line by line. [32:00–35:00] 🚫 Girl Gang Fallout: Blake is OUT With Blake uninvited from Gigi’s party and Travis unfollowing Ryan, it looks like Taylor is officially over it. [35:00–38:00] 🔥 Blind Item: Blake Tried to Seduce Justin?! A wild blind claims Blake made a move on Justin… and Taylor may have spilled it to Brittany Mahomes. [39:00–42:00] 🧨 Diddy Trial Breakdown (Warning: Graphic) Shocking opening day testimony is covered, from assault to bribes to male escorts and control. [43:00–45:00] 👑 Jordan Hudson’s Real Estate Empire Bill Belichick’s 24-year-old girlfriend just bought $9M in condos. The girls are stunned and impressed. [45:00–48:00] 🧠 The Psychology of Jordan Hudson Is this 5D chess? They analyze the strategy and ROI behind her sugar baby-to-landlord pipeline. [49:00–52:00] 🤠 Meghan & Harry at Cowboy Carter They break down Meghan’s outfit, Harry’s hat, and why this photo dump hits different. [52:00–55:00] 👑 The Royal Family’s PR Games With no signs of reconciliation, the girls predict Harry and Meghan’s fading relevance as the next gen grows up. [55:00–57:00] 💸 Brand Longevity Doubts for Meghan & Harry Do they have enough “product” to support the lifestyle? Lauren goes full monologue. [57:00–End] 🎤 Signing Off with Love Back from the wedding and ready to spill all the tea, the girls close with love for the listeners and a reminder to subscribe for more! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. For more Pop Apologists, follow along at: @popapologists on Instagram Pop Apologists on YouTube To support the show, consider subscribing on Patreon or anywhere you listen to podcasts, where you can get bonus episodes of Pop Apologists every Monday and Friday! See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

While Chanler is off honeymooning, Lauren is joined by one of her closest friends and the chicest blonde she knows — Elizabeth. The duo dive deep into royal chaos, from Meghan Markle's HRH mess to Prince William's fury, and break down the Walton Goggins and Amy Lou Wood drama. They also tackle the shocking story of a ring-copying sister-in-law, Jordan Hudson's PR reign over Bill Belichick, and a family feud brewing in the Beckham clan. Plus, a Capri travel segment with insider tips closes the show. ⏱️ Chapter Timestamps 00:00 – Meet Elizabeth 👯‍♀️ Chanler is on her honeymoon, so Lauren invites bestie Elizabeth to co-host. They chat Chandler’s gorgeous Prospect Park wedding and kick off a Capri-themed giveaway. 07:00 – The Ring Copy Heard Round the Family 💍 A listener dilemma: her future sister-in-law copies her exact engagement ring — then drags it on TikTok. The girls are scandalized. 11:00 – Meghan Markle Gossip Bombshell ☕ An anonymous source shares insider PR tea on Meghan’s fame strategy pre-Harry. Spoiler: it involves a deck of rich men at events. 13:00 – Meghan’s HRH Title Scandal 🔥 Lauren and Elizabeth dissect Meghan’s latest controversy — using her royal title on a jam gift basket featured in a public podcast. 19:00 – Did Meghan Break the Rules? 👑 They debate if Meghan’s HRH use was innocent or strategic. Cue a full breakdown of royal branding, commercial promotion, and royal hypocrisy. 26:00 – Prince William’s Fury 💢 New reports claim William is planning to formally strip Harry and Meghan’s HRH titles when he becomes king. The girls weigh in on whether it’s deserved. 30:00 – Security Drama & Harry’s Court Loss 🔐 Prince Harry loses a UK court appeal over taxpayer-funded protection. Lauren and Elizabeth discuss whether the royal family is putting him in danger. 37:00 – Walton Goggins & Amy Lou Wood 💔 The two get into the juicy behind-the-scenes fallout between White Lotus stars Walton and Amy. From Instagram clues to awkward interviews, they speculate on what went down. 42:00 – Jordan Hudson’s PR Reign Over Belichick 🧠💅 Is Bill Belichick’s 24-year-old girlfriend tanking his career? The answer is possibly yes — and the girls go in hard on the weird dynamic. 47:00 – The Beckhams Are Feuding 🥊 David Beckham turns 50 — and Brooklyn + Nicola skip the bash. What’s going on between the Beckhams and Nicola Peltz? And who is Romeo’s new (and recycled?) girlfriend? 53:00 – ✨ Bonus Segment: Amalfi Coast & Capri Travel Guide Lauren is joined by photographer and Capri expert Natalie Obradovich for luxury recs, travel mistakes to avoid, where to stay, shop, and beach club like a local. We’re giving away a designer raffia bag of your choice (up to $3,000 in value!) to one lucky listener—just in time for summer getaways and poolside flexes. To enter: 👉 Follow @popapologists (https://instagram.com/popapologists), @natalie (https://instagram.com/natalie), and @elizabeth.gaucher (https://instagram.com/elizabeth.gaucher) on Instagram Bonus chance to win: ⭐ Leave a 5 star review for Pop Apologists on Apple Podcasts 🎉 GIVEAWAY ALERT: Win Your Dream Summer Bag! Check out our amazing sponsors: BetterHelp: Pop Apologists is sponsored by BetterHelp. We’re all better with help. Visit BetterHelp.com/POPAPOLOGISTS (http://betterhelp.com/POPAPOLOGISTS) to get 10% off your first month. Cozy Earth: To celebrate Moms everywhere, visit CozyEarth.com (http://cozyearth.com/) and use code POP for 40% off your entire order. Because she deserves the best! Hero Bread: Hero Bread is offering 10% off your order. Go to hero.co (http://hero.co/) and use code POP at checkout. Nutrafol: Find out why Nutrafol is the best-selling hair growth supplement brand at Nutrafol.com (http://nutrafol.com/) promo code POP. Quince: Treat your closet to a little summer glow-up with Quince. Go to http://quince.com/apologist for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns.  Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial  interest in products or services referred to in this episode. For more Pop Apologists, follow along at: @popapologists on Instagram See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Lauren and Chan dive into everything we know so far from Karen Read’s retrial — prosecution and defense strategy, courtroom drama, and key witness moments. It’s all on the table. 00:00 – 08:00 Wedding Week Catch-Up 08:01 – 10:59 Case Background & Legal Overview 11:00 – 12:59 Media Impact & Public Perception 13:00 – 15:59 Jury Insights & Legal Strategy 16:00 – 18:59 Key Players & Investigation Focus 19:00 – 22:59 Scene Details & Timeline Questions 23:00 – 24:59 Financial Fallout & Defense Structure 25:00 – 27:59 New Evidence Introduced 28:00 – 32:59 Behavior, Phones & Property Changes 33:00 – 34:59 Search History Controversy 35:00 – 38:59 Opening Statements & Legal Framing 39:00 – 41:59 Witness Testimony & Trial Atmosphere 42:00 – 47:00 Expert Evidence & Courtroom Debates 47:01 – 48:59 Trial Momentum & What's Ahead 49:00 – 51:59 Pop Culture Pulse Check (Travis Kelce, Meghan Markle) 52:00 – 55:00 Podcast Reactions & Commentary Check out our amazing sponsors: MasterClass: Our listeners always get great discounts on MasterClass, of at least 15% off any annual membership at masterclass.com/popapologists .  Progressive: Visit Progressive.com to see if you could save on car insurance. Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial  interest in products or services referred to in this episode. For more Pop Apologists, follow along at: @popapologists on Instagram Pop Apologists on YouTube To support the show, consider subscribing on Patreon or anywhere you listen to podcasts, where you can get bonus episodes of Pop Apologists every Monday and Friday! See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

In light of Karen Read’s retrial, Lauren and Chandler revisit her first trial from 2024. They walk through the full timeline, key evidence, legal strategies, and the emerging controversies surrounding law enforcement’s role in the investigation. 00:00 – 03:00 Intro, Format & Re-Release Context 03:01 – 05:00 Who Were John O’Keefe and Karen Read? 05:01 – 07:00 The Night in Question 07:01 – 10:00 Early Morning Discovery & Initial Reactions 10:01 – 13:00 Phone Records, Taillights & 911 Call 13:01 – 16:00 Charges, Legal Teams, & Investigation Overview 16:01 – 20:00 Evidence at the Scene 20:01 – 24:00 Conflicting Theories & Relationship Dynamics 24:01 – 28:00 Defense Strategy & Possible Coverup Claims 28:01 – 33:00 Missing Footage, Evidence Chain & Key Players 33:01 – 37:00 Surveillance Gaps & Timeline Breakdown 37:01 – 42:00 Technology Data, Text Patterns & Phones 42:01 – 47:00 Witness Testimony Challenges & Investigative Concerns 47:01 – 52:00 Prosecutorial Position & Rebuttals 52:01 – 57:00 Federal Oversight & External Reports 57:01 – 01:03:00 Final Review of Conflicting Evidence 01:03:01 – End What Comes Next & Closing Thoughts Check out our amazing sponsors: Clean Simple Eats: Shop Clean Simple Eats protein powder and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 10% off! Earlybird: Click here to try EarlyBird CBD/THC gummies and use code POP20 for 20% off.  Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial  interest in products or services referred to in this episode. For more Pop Apologists, follow along at: @popapologists on Instagram Pop Apologists on YouTube To support the show, consider subscribing on Patreon or anywhere you listen to podcasts, where you can get bonus episodes of Pop Apologists every Monday and Friday! See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Marriage is magical… but also occasionally maddening. In this episode, we welcome licensed marriage and family therapist Aly Bullock, to spill her wisdom on making love last long after the honeymoon. 💥 [00:02:10] We kick it off with the most-asked question about long-term relationships—and a fresh perspective you probably haven’t heard before. 💃 [00:04:50] “Non-toxic drama”? Yes, it’s a thing—and you might just be obsessed with the concept. 👀 [00:10:45] How something as simple as eye contact might be the most underrated intimacy move. 📱 [00:12:00] The couples app that’s transforming everyday connection—one tiny prompt at a time. 🥴 [00:17:15] Is it possible to be happy, healthy, and passionate in the long run? Let’s just say this part might challenge your assumptions. 💔 [00:24:15] What to do when you’re years in and still unsure if your partner is “the one.” 😬 [00:27:15] The art of addressing a partner’s weight gain—with honesty and compassion. 💅 [00:33:00] What to say when your partner’s new look has you questioning everything—including their haircut choices. 💵 [00:36:10] Money dynamics in relationships: how to handle shifts in income and power without blowing things up. 👶 [00:41:50] Kids change everything—here’s how to stay close when chaos enters the chat. 🔐 [00:48:50] Trust issues and betrayal: what healing really looks like, and how to know when it’s time to walk away. 👪 [00:55:10] In-law boundaries, decoded. (Yes, you can set them without sparking family feuds.) Find Aly on social media at the handles @pairedapp and @relationshipswithaly where she shares relatable, actionable couples content and check out the show notes for 25% off a year membership to Paired premium to get her expert advice tailored specifically to you and your partner. http://www.paired.com/alypodcast Check out our amazing sponsors: Clean Simple Eats: Shop Clean Simple Eats protein powder and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 10% off! Earlybird: Click here to try EarlyBird CBD/THC gummies and use code POP20 for 20% off.  Cozy Earth: Prioritize your sleep! Visit CozyEarth.com/POP and use our exclusive code POP for 40% off best-selling sheets, towels, pajamas, and more. And if you get a post-purchase survey, let them know you heard about Cozy Earth right here. Sleep Better with Cozy Earth. Progressive: Visit Progressive.com to see if you could save on car insurance. Quince: Thoughtful. Timeless. Totally her. Shop Mother’s Day at Quince. Go to quince.com/apologist for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns.  Thrive Market: Ready to make the switch? Head to ThriveMarket.com/pop and get 30% off your first order, plus a FREE $60 gift! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial  interest in products or services referred to in this episode. For more Pop Apologists, follow along at: @popapologists on Instagram Pop Apologists on YouTube To support the show, consider subscribing on Patreon or anywhere you listen to podcasts, where you can get bonus episodes of Pop Apologists every Monday and Friday! See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

[00:00–02:00] 🚀 Was this really a “medium news week”? The girls dive into the headline that sent them — literally — into orbit. [02:00–06:00] 🌌 Katy Perry returns from space and says she’s “never felt more connected to love.” The commentary that follows? Unhinged perfection. [13:00–17:00] 💇‍♀️ Dyson Airwrap: myth or miracle? Lauren enters her hair reform era, and Chanler has thoughts. [24:00–29:00] 👠 Shoe size shame and celebrity foot gossip (yes, this is a real segment, and yes, it’s glorious). [31:00–34:00] 💸 The $30 Stanley Cup that almost ended a wedding before it started. [35:00–39:00] 🎭 A viral SNL sketch, bad teeth jokes, and a rumored celeb breakup — things get dicey. [40:00–47:00] ⚖️ An unexpected twist in the Lively vs. Baldoni case, including a new voice on Team Justin. [47:00–52:00] 👯‍♀️ The Kyle and Dorit friendship breakdown — are we watching the end in real time? [52:00–57:00] 🎶 Morgan Wade, Wilder Days, and Real Housewives chemistry that’s way too on-the-nose. [57:00–End (~01:01:00)] 🥂 A toast to long-lasting love — and Jennifer Tilley just living her fabulous life. Check out our amazing sponsors: Clean Simple Eats: Shop Clean Simple Eats protein powder and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 10% off! Earlybird: Click here to try EarlyBird CBD/THC gummies and use code POP20 for 20% off.  Quince: For your next trip, treat yourself to the luxe upgrades you deserve from Quince. Go to quince.com/apologist for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns.  Progressive: Visit Progressive.com to see if you could save on car insurance. Hero Bread: Hero Bread is offering 10% off your order. Go to hero.co and use code POP at checkout. Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. For more Pop Apologists, follow along at: @popapologists on Instagram Pop Apologists on YouTube To support the show, consider subscribing on Patreon or anywhere you listen to podcasts, where you can get bonus episodes of Pop Apologists every Monday and Friday! See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Lauren and Chan chat about the countdown to Chan’s wedding and take a stroll down memory lane (0:47). They discuss the backlash over Blake Lively’s time at a donut shop (8:51), the White Lotus finale (15:03), Lauren’s suspicions about Taylor and Travis (30:18), Sydney Sweeney’s breakup + potential new romance (32:27), Meghan Markle’s new podcast “Confessions of a Female Founder” (37:42), Erin and Abe Lichy’s new podcast “Come Together” (43:59), and finally, their top picks for the Sephora sale (50:57).  Check out our amazing sponsors: Clean Simple Eats: Shop Clean Simple Eats protein powder and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 10% off! Earlybird: Click here to try EarlyBird CBD/THC gummies and use code POP20 for 20% off.  Cozy Earth: Prioritize your sleep! Visit CozyEarth.com/POP and use our exclusive code POP for 40% off best-selling sheets, towels, pajamas, and more. And if you get a post-purchase survey, let them know you heard about Cozy Earth right here. Sleep better with Cozy Earth. Progressive: Visit Progressive.com to see if you could save on car insurance. Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. For more Pop Apologists, follow along at: @popapologists on Instagram Pop Apologists on YouTube To support the show, consider subscribing on Patreon or anywhere you listen to podcasts, where you can get a bonus episode of Pop Apologists every Friday! See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Lauren and Chan are joined by Olivia Snow of Mother’s Daughter Design (@mothersdaughterdesign on Instagram) to chat about all things interior design. They dive into discussing their favorite celebrity homes, as well as a celebrity home that has them puzzled:  Emma Chamberlain’s LA house (7:52), Gigi Hadid’s New York apartment (11:57) Emma Roberts’ LA house (15:25), Kendall Jenner’s LA house (21:14), and Gwyneth Paltrow’s Montecito house (26:41). They also get to listener questions: The best place areas to save money in a house that needs a lot of work? (40:07) What styles are coming next? (43:47) A designer’s thought’s on wallpaper?( 45:19) Where to spend and where to save with furniture? (46:46) What to look for in a rug? (48:17) How do I not decorate like everyone on Instagram? (49:46) What are the best friendly decorating tips? (52:45) How do I find my own style? (54:52) What lighting shade gives the coziest light in a home? (56:27) What are inexpensive ways to update a bedroom or kitchen? (58:35) How to handle your partner having very different interior style opinoins? (1:00:53) What is trending now that people will regret in five years? (1:03:00) What are online retailers that are really good quality for the price? (1:04:15) When should you do use a designer for specific items?(1:07:20) What are Olivia’s favorite paint colors to use? (1:10:33) How to know when to use a decorator? (1:14:02) Visit the Pop Apologists Substack for all the details on Lauren's Brooklyn home Check out our amazing sponsors: Clean Simple Eats: Shop Clean Simple Eats protein powder and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 10% off! Earlybird: Click here to try EarlyBird CBD/THC gummies and use code POP20 for 20% off.  BetterHelp: This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Build your support system with Betterhelp. Visit betterhelp.com/popapologists to get 10% off your first month.  Quince: Give yourself the luxury you deserve with Quince! Go to quince.com/apologist for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns.  Progressive: Use the Name Your Price ® tool from Progressive you can be a better budgeter and potentially lower your insurance bill too! See if you can save some money at Progressive.com.  Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. For more Pop Apologists, follow along at: @popapologists on Instagram @popapologists on TikTok Pop Apologists on YouTube To support the show, consider subscribing on Patreon or anywhere you listen to podcasts, where you can get a bonus episode of Pop Apologists every Friday! See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Lauren and Chan chat about Kim and Kanye’s latest battle (6:27), Meghan Markle’s new podcast (14:17) as well as her St. Patrick’s Day snafu (19:45), Taylor Swift’s latest easter eggs (26:34), and Donna Kelce’s surprising Instagram post (28:40). Lauren and Chan are then joined by the one and only Arielle Lorre to share the intense amount of work that goes into her career and two shocking personal stories that you have to hear to believe. Arielle mentions it all: Behind the scenes of building an influencer and podcast brand (35:37), Arielle’s favorite skincare products (47:04), Arielle’s catastrophic jet lag (48:13), and finally, Arielle’s botox nightmare (54:56) Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. Clean Simple Eats: Shop Clean Simple Eats protein powder and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 10% off! Earlybird: Click here to try EarlyBird CBD/THC gummies and use code POP20 for 20% off. Cozy Earth: Luxury Shouldn’t Be Out of Reach. Visit CozyEarth.com/POP and use our exclusive code POP for 40% off best-selling sheets, towels, pajamas, and more. And if you get a post-purchase survey, let them know you heard about Cozy Earth right here. Sanctuary Awaits at Cozy Earth. Quince: Give yourself the luxury you deserve with Quince! Go to quince.com/apologist for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns. Progressive: See if you’re eligible to save money when you bundle your home and auto policies at Progressive.com. SKIMS: The Fits Everybody collection is available in sizes XXS to 4X. You can shop now at SKIMS.com and SKIMS New York Flagship on Fifth Ave. After you place your order, be sure to let them know we sent you! Select “podcast” in the survey and be sure to select Pop Apologists in the dropdown menu that follows. For more Pop Apologists, follow along at: @popapologists on Instagram @popapologists on TikTok Pop Apologists on YouTube To support the show, consider subscribing on Patreon or anywhere you listen to podcasts, where you can get a bonus episode of Pop Apologists every Friday! See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Lauren and Chan are chatting all about the latest celebrity and reality tv happenings. They dive into Blake Lively’s Another Simple Favor premiere at SXSW (4:24), Nick Viall’s reaction to Justin Baldoni on Juicy Scoop (8:33), the newest allegations about Justin Baldoni (11:06), Blake and Ryan wanting to protect their texts (16:59), Thomas Markle’s statements about With Love, Meghan (21:45), Kylie Jenner and Timothée Chalamet’s recent tennis outing (29:27), updates on Jax Taylor and Brittany’s side about what prompted him to get help (31:13), Tamra Judge quitting RHOC (35:06), and finally, their take on The Baldwins (41:26).  Check out our amazing sponsors: Clean Simple Eats: Shop Clean Simple Eats protein powder and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 10% off! Earlybird: Click here to try EarlyBird CBD/THC gummies and use code POP20 for 20% off.  Progressive: See if you’re eligible to save money when you bundle your home and auto policies at Progressive.com.  Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. For more Pop Apologists, follow along at: @popapologists on Instagram @popapologists on TikTok Pop Apologists on YouTube To support the show, consider subscribing on Patreon or anywhere you listen to podcasts, where you can get a bonus episode of Pop Apologists every Friday! See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Lauren and Chan are joined by Taylor Lorenz to discuss all things related to internet culture. They dive into the following: The Socialite Rank (3:32), the social media ecosystem (11:33), parasocial relationships (14:35),  aspirational content (20:18),  mommy bloggers (28:33), the birth of influencer marketing (33:04),  viral content shaping societal values (36:42), AI creators & digital clones (40:31), going from an influencer to being in the public eye with Meghan Markle (45:16), and finally, image curation and PR strategy with Gwyneth Paltrow (51:00).  Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. Clean Simple Eats: Shop Clean Simple Eats protein powder and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 10% off! Earlybird: Click here to try Earlybird CBD/THC gummies and use code POP20 for 20% off.  BetterHelp: This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp.  Build your support system with Betterhelp. Visit betterhelp.com/popapologists to get 10% off your first month.  Cozy Earth: Visit CozyEarth.com/POP and use our exclusive code POP for 40% off best-selling sheets, towels, pajamas, and more. Quince: Give yourself the luxury you deserve with Quince! Go to quince.com/apologist for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns.  Progressive: See if you can save some money at Progressive.com.  See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Lauren and Chan are joined by Kate Kennedy from the Be There in Five podcast to chat about all the things living rent-free in their minds. They discuss Jenny Slate’s It Ends With Us HR complaint and why Justin Baldoni’s communication style may be the issue (2:32). They dive into Ballerina Farm and which publication Lauren thinks should be featuring Hannah (10:57). They take a moment on Nara Smith’s account and content strategy (13:40).  They loop back around to Blake and Justin to discuss the recent Hollywood Reporter article and SNL appearance (19:15).  They discuss their take on Blake and Taylor’s friendship in light of the lawsuits (33:33). They give their take on Meghan Markle’s upcoming ventures As Ever and With Love, Meghan (38:00). Finally, they give their complete thoughts on Pookie, and whether they buy what she and Jett are selling (52:44).  Check out our amazing sponsors: Clean Simple Eats: Shop Clean Simple Eats protein powder and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 10% off! Earlybird: Click here to try EarlyBird CBD/THC gummies and use code POP20 for 20% off.  Progressive: Visit Progressive.com to see if you could save on car insurance.  To support the show, consider subscribing on Patreon or anywhere you listen to podcasts, where you can get a bonus episode of Pop Apologists every Friday! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Lauren and Chan are so excited to bring you the first Pop Apologists Profile on the legend and icon Demi Moore. She’s had the kind of career that is truly one in a million, but the true story behind her life is a mix of triumph, resilience, and heartbreak. From childhood struggles to public relationships that made headlines, Demi’s journey has been anything but ordinary. Hear all about Demi’s tumultuous childhood (3:22), Demi’s shocking earliest relationships (18:55), her big break into acting (22:22), Demi meeting a hot new actor named Bruce Willis, plus all about their 13 year marriage (31:46), Demi’s iconic moments that shaped our culture (40:42), the ending of Bruce and Demi’s marriage (51:02), her relationship with Ashton Kutcher and the difficulties that followed (53:20), and finally, Demi’s stunning second act. (1:11:36) Check out our amazing sponsors: Clean Simple Eats: Shop Clean Simple Eats protein powder and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 10% off! Earlybird: Click here to try EarlyBird CBD/THC gummies and use code POP20 for 20% off.  SKIMS: The Fits Everybody collection is available in sizes XXS to 4X. You can shop now at SKIMS.com and SKIMS New York Flagship on Fifth Ave. After you place your order, be sure to let them know we sent you! Select “podcast” in the survey and be sure to select Pop Apologists in the dropdown menu that follows.  To support the show, consider subscribing on Patreon or anywhere you listen to podcasts, where you can get a bonus episode of Pop Apologists every Friday! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Lauren and Chan are back with part 6 of the Blake Lively vs. Justin Baldoni battle. They are chatting the final portion of the timeline as well as the newest developments on the case: Ryan and Blake trying to sabotage Justin’s career with WME (2:00), the statement of contrition that Ryan and Blake wanted Justin and Wayfarer to release (4:52), Blake’s collusion with the New York Times (13:39), Blake’s request for a gag order against Justin’s legal team as well as her unique request to the court (15:50), a second lawsuit being dropped on Blake (17:13), an update on Taylor’s feelings about her friendship with Blake and her involvement with the movie (18:31), Blake and Ryan’s team allegedly trying to silence a TikTok creator (24:24), Lauren’s husband gives his fascinating perspective on what actually happened (31:04), Ryan’s fake paparazzi moment (34:26), thoughts on the only way Blake can get out of this mess (38:04), and the real reason Justin wants to go ahead with the lawsuit (43:56) Check out our amazing sponsors: Clean Simple Eats: Shop Clean Simple Eats protein powder and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 10% off! Earlybird: Click here to try EarlyBird CBD/THC gummies and use code POP20 for 20% off.  Netflix: Watch Kinda Pregnant, now playing only on Netflix. BetterHelp: This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Visit BetterHelp.com/popapologists to get 10% off your first month.  Thrive Market: Ready for a junk-free start to 2025? Head to ThriveMarket.com/pop and get 30% off your first order, plus a FREE $60 gift! To support the show, consider subscribing on Patreon or anywhere you listen to podcasts, where you can get a bonus episode of Pop Apologists every Friday! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Lauren and Chan are joined by DeuxMoi to dive into part 4 of Blake Lively vs. Justin Baldoni. During their chat, they mention it all: Where Blake and Justin’s working relationship went wrong (4:43) , The popular theory of Ryan Reynolds being the real villain (7:38), Where Deux feels everything went wrong between Justin and Blake (14:15), Justin Baldoni’s 7 minute voice memo to Blake (18:46), Were Blake and Colleen scheming to get the movie rights back (24:27), Blake’s list of demands (29:46), Why aren’t the other actors speaking out? (32:22), What people say about Justin Baldoni, Blake Lively, and Ryan Reynolds (35:32), How Taylor feels about being brought into the narrative (43:17), Ryan Reynolds’ messages to Justin Baldoni (48:58), Lauren’s Roman Empire: the truth about Taylor Swift and Joe Alwyn (57:55)Check out our amazing sponsors: Clean Simple Eats: Shop Clean Simple Eats protein powder and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 10% off! Earlybird: Click here to try EarlyBird CBD/THC gummies and use code POP20 for 20% off.  Netflix: Watch Kinda Pregnant, only on Netflix February 5th. BetterHelp: This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp.  Visit BetterHelp.com/popapologists to get 10% off your first month.  Cozy Earth: A better year starts with better sleep—wrap yourself in Cozy Earth. Visit cozyearth.com and use our exclusive 40% off code POP . For more Pop Apologists, follow along at: @popapologists on Instagram @popapologists on TikTok Pop Apologists See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Lauren and Chan are joined by Kelli and Troy from Beyond the Blinds to chat about all things Diddy + more. -Diddy’s troubling childhood (2:06) - Diddy’s arrest with J.Lo being tip of the iceberg with his crimes (16:34) -How they think Diddy’s freak off’s actually happened (20:37) -Kim Porter and Cassie’s relationships with Diddy (26:53) -Celebrities who were complicit with Diddy’s crimes + the tragedy of child stars (34:54) -Will there ever be a reckoning where the true monsters fall? (42:19) -The relationship between Diddy and Jay-Z (49:27) -Thoughts on the upcoming Diddy trial (53:10) Check out our amazing sponsors: Clean Simple Eats: Shop Clean Simple Eats protein powder and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 10% off! Earlybird: Click here to try EarlyBird CBD/THC gummies and use code POP20 for 20% off.  Netflix: Watch Kinda Pregnant, only on Netflix February 5th. SKIMS: The Fits Everybody collection is available in sizes XXS to 4X. You can shop now at SKIMS.com and SKIMS New York Flagship on Fifth Ave. After you place your order, be sure to let them know we sent you! Select “podcast” in the survey and be sure to select Pop Apologists in the dropdown menu that follows. And if you are looking for the perfect gift for your Valentine or for yourself- SKIMS just launched their best Valentine’s Shop ever! Available in sizes for women, men, and kids. For more Pop Apologists, follow along at:@popapologists on Instagram See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Check out our amazing sponsors: Clean Simple Eats: Shop Clean Simple Eats protein powder and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 10% off! Earlybird: Click here to try EarlyBird CBD/THC gummies and use code POP20 for 20% off.  Quince: Upgrade your closet this year without the upgraded price tag! Go to quince.com/apologist for 365-day returns PLUS free shipping on your order! Progressive: Want to bundle your home and auto policies? See if you can save some money at Progressive.com Cozy Earth: A better year starts with better sleep—wrap yourself in Cozy Earth. Visit cozyearth.com and use our exclusive 40% off code POP . To support the show, consider subscribing on Patreon or on Apple Podcasts, where you can get a bonus episode of Pop Apologists every Friday! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

 Lauren and Chan are joined by Kate Casey to discuss some of the biggest conspiracies to hit Hollywood, the British royals, and more. The gals dive into the rumors that Kris Jenner orchestrated the sale of Kim’s sex tape (1:52) and the difference in the sale of Pamela Anderson and Tommy Lee’s sex tape (6:12). They chat about the rumours surrounding January Jones and director Matthew Vaughn (8:30). They revisit the rumours about Justin Bieber and Kourtney Kardashian (14:26). Lauren, Chan, and Kate touch on the mysterious death of Tafari Campbell, the Obama family’s chef (19:23). The gals chat about  the Chappaquiddick incident involving Ted Kennedy (22:23). They take a look at the death of JonBenét Ramsey and some of the theories regarding her death (24:00). Lauren, Chan, and Kate revisit some of the mysteries surrounding the death of Princess Diana (36:03). The gals give their take on the reality of William and Kate’s marriage (46:39). They talk about celebrity clones and body doubles (49:32) and thoughts on  Meghan and Harry’s holiday card (53:47). The gals give a quick moment for a reality tv round up (57:32). Finally, they chat about the conspiracy that Teresa Graves is actually Whitney Houston’s mother (1:00:27). Shop Clean Simple Eats protein powder and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 10% off! Click here to try EarlyBird CBD/THC gummies and use code POP20 for 20% off.  This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp: Visit BetterHelp.com/popapologists to get 10% off your first month.  Visit progressive.com to see if you could save on car insurance. Head to ThriveMarket.com/pop and get 30% off your first order, plus a FREE $60 gift!  Visit See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Lauren and Chan are sharing a deep dive on everything we know about the battle between Blake Lively vs. Justin Baldoni so far. The gals bring everyone up to speed on the drama that surrounded It Ends With Us when the movie was released in August 2024 and the tide of public opinion turning on Blake Lively (1:48). They discuss Blake’s bombshell legal complaint against Justin that dropped just before Christmas 2024, including the specifics of each complaint (6:19). Lauren and Chan dive into the It Ends With Us premier, where Justin and the Wayfarer Studios team were segregated from the rest of the cast (28:42). The gals get into Justin’s hiring of a PR crisis team following the IEWU premier, the massive public backlash against Blake (30:26), and the effects of the smear campaign (33:19). They dive into Justin’s lawsuit against the New York Times(41:23), as well as the allegations that involve Blake (48:57) Finally, Lauren and Chan discuss the points in both Justin and Blake's filings where two things can be true (53:31).  Shop Clean Simple Eats protein powder and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 10% off! Click here to try EarlyBird CBD/THC gummies and use code POP20 for 20% off.  This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp: Visit BetterHelp.com/popapologists to get 10% off your first month. Visit progressive.com to see if you could save on car insurance. To support the show, consider subscribing on Patreon or on Apple Podcasts, where you can get a bonus episode of Pop Apologists every Friday! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Lauren and Chan are so excited to be chatting with Heather Dubrow from Real Housewives of Orange County! They dive into the double standards of plastic surgery, and what constitutes a sexy upgrade vs. a taboo procedure (1:26). Heather shares her wisdom on becoming the best version of yourself (3:46), getting through tough parenting stages (8:55), and raising children who are grateful instead of entitled (13:19). Heather talks about her marriage and her advice on nurturing a long-term relationship(20:23). She gives the exclusive scoop on her and Terry’s living situation and what is next for their home (30:04). Heather mentions it all, down to opening up about the tweaks and procedures she has had done and which practitioners she would recommend (36:07). Heather dishes on her diet and exercise regiment, including what has been the biggest game changer in her life (40:30). Finally, Heather answers some rapid-fire questions, including her thoughts on Tamra’s RHOC antics, a behind the scenes peek at Housewives production, and what she is working on next (44:37).  Shop Clean Simple Eats protein powder a nd use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 10% off! Click here to try EarlyBird CBD/THC gummies and use code POP20 for 20% off.  To support the show, consider subscribing on Patreon or on Apple Podcasts, where yo u can get a bonus episode of Pop Apologists every Friday! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

This week we are deep diving into the lives of Carolyn Bessette Kennedy and JFK, Jr. and their iconic American romance. Who exactly was Carolyn before she waltzed into JFK Jr.'s glittering orbit? What exactly made the American prince forego his supermodel habit in favor of a normal girl from White Plains, New York? How did Jackie O. feel about her son as he rose to prominence as the American sex symbol of his time? Why was Carolyn two hours late to her own wedding? And what happened on the fateful night when they met their untimely demise? We answer these questions and much, much more. Buckle in, bb's! Shop Clean Simple Eats protein powder a nd use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 10% off! To support the show, consider subscribing on Patreon or on Apple Podcasts, where you can get a bonus episode of Pop Apologists every Friday! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Lauren and Chan are joined by Troy and Kelli from Beyond the Blinds to chat about the top celebrity moments of 2024, jaw-dropping blind items, and celebrity predictions for 2025. They discuss the problematic cast of That 70’s Show (5:06), as well as a must-read celebrity memoir. They dive into the year’s top celebrity breakups (12:22). Kelli reveals an interesting theory on Taylor Swift’s connection to the Kansas City Chiefs (19:01). They pull back the curtain on how PR plays out in celebrity relationships, including their tinfoil hat theory on Taylor Swift’s relationships (23:13). They shine a light on celebrity pap walks (34:17). They break down which celebrities are struggling to adapt to the ever-changing definition of celebrity (37:15). Finally, they give their take on the VPR re-boot and the current season of RHONY (49:21). Listeners can find Troy and Kelli from Beyond the Blinds anywhere you listen to podcasts or at Patreon.com/BeyondTheBlinds  Shop Clean Simple Eats protein powder a nd use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 10% off! Head to MasterClass, where you can receive up to 50% off at MasterClass.com/POPAPOLOGISTS  To support the show, consider subscribing on Patreon or on Apple Podcasts, where you can get a bonus episode of Pop Apologists every Friday! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Lauren and Chan share updates and happenings that are both very New York in nature. The gals share their sadness over the end of the Eras Tour and what they think is coming next for Taylor. (10:37) They dive into the story that has gripped the nation, the murder of United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson and the arrest of Luigi Mangione, including the lesser-known manifesto that gives additional insight to his alleged motive. (15:52) Finally, they discuss recent news of Jay-Z being named in the Diddy lawsuit, Jay-Z’s response, and thoughts on associating with the morally bankrupt. (40:49) Shop Clean Simple Eats protein powder and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 10% off! To support the show, consider subscribing on Patreon or on Apple Podcasts, where you can get a bonus episode of Pop Apologists every Friday! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Lauren and Chan are joined by their dad, family law attorney John Bledsoe, where they chat about some of Hollywood’s most contentious and unique divorces: The discuss Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie’s divorce and whether parental alienation took place (3:12), Gossip Girl’s Kelly Rutherford and Daniel Giersch’s trans-continental divorce and alleged child abduction (26:45), and Kevin Costner and Christine Baumgartner’s contentious divorce, where the argument of “luxury is in their DNA” didn’t fall on sympathetic ears (40:23). Plus, John answers some rapid-fire Q&A about pre-nups, filing for divorce, children of divorce, and the secret to staying married.   Shop Clean Simple Eats protein powder a nd use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 10% off! Head to MasterClass, where you can receive 50% off at MasterClass.com/POPAPOLOGISTS  To support the show, consider subscribing on Patreon or on Apple Podcasts, where yo u can get a bonus episode of Pop Apologists every Friday! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Welcome to The Trial of David Foster, where Lauren and Chan examine this Canadian songwriter & producer's marriages and misdeeds. Listen as the gals dive into David's five marriages to discuss his relationship patterns and the toll it has taken on those in his orbit. Join Lauren and Chan as the judge, jury, and executioner regarding this man's bad behavior, complete with the gals' take on why David hated being on Real Housewives of Beverly Hills + why they think he and Yolanda Hadid (wife #4) split. Finally, listen in as Lauren and Chan discuss the interview where Katherine McPhee (wife #5) tells the tale of her and David's love. Buckle in, because this is a trial you won't want to miss.  Shop Clean Simple Eats protein powder a nd use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 10% off! Click here to try Ea rlyBird CBD/THC gummies and use code POP20 for 20% off.  To support the show, consider subscribing on Patreon or on Apple Podcasts, where yo u can get a bonus episode of Pop Apologists every Friday! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Lauren and Chan are joined by Sammi Cohen, a rising star in the world of financial and business content creation who bridges the gap between Wall Street and pop culture. She is known for her deep dives where she breaks down and demystifies complex financial concepts and uncovers what's really happening with today's biggest brands. Together they discuss: What happened to Outdoor Voices (4:16) The fall of the female founded “girl boss” brands (19:49) Venture Capitalist roles in building a brand (26:58) The rise and struggles of Glossier (32:11) Kourtney Kardashian’s problematic brand, Lemme (41:18) The death and resuscitation of mall brands (50:02) Find Sammi Cohen on Instagram and TikTok at @sammicohentalks, as well as her weekly newsletter “Social Currency”.  Shop Clean Simple Eats protein powder a nd use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 10% off! Click here to try EarlyBird CBD/THC gummies and use code POP20 for 20% off.  To support the show, consider subscribing on Patreon or on Apple Podcasts, where yo u can get a bonus episode of Pop Apologists every Friday! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Lauren, Chan, and returning guest Joe Peacock are diving in to chat about the biggest misconceptions and unrealistic expectations that romantic comedies have given them, from jobs and apartments to the way a partner should be expressing their love. Lauren, Chan, and Joe take a look at some of the rom coms that have lied to them the most: You’ve Got Mail, Runaway Bride, Pretty Woman, How to Lose a Guy in 10 Days, and more. They also chat about the rom com male archetypes and why rom com writers have set women and men up for disappointment. Finally, Chan shares where she was looking for her perfect meet-cute to happen, Lauren recalls a time where she tried to create a rom com moment in her life, and Joe shares his dream of dating someone adjacent to a certain celebrity.  Shop Clean Simple Eats protein powder a nd use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 10% off! Click here to try EarlyBird CBD/THC gummies and use code POP20 for 20% off.  To support the show, consider subscribing on Patreon, where you can get a bonus epi sode of Pop Apologists every Friday! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Lauren and Chan are joined by holistic dating coach Amy Nobile Messing, a holistic dating coach and best selling co author of four books, all designed to empower and inspire women at various stages of their lives. Love Amy is her coaching business that marries the technology of modern dating with a holistic view of human to human energy and connection. Together, the gals are discussing some of the ways women are missing the opportunities to connect with their future partners and what easy adjustments women can make to their dating profiles and personal mindsets to have both their profile as well as energy be ready for emotional connection and lasting love. They also answer listener questions: Why won’t men commit? Can long distance relationships actually work? Does Amy’s advice change based on a woman’s age? How to keep the spark alive after 10 years together? How to date as a single mom? How long should we wait to hear “I love you” from a partner? Find Amy at @love.amy.nyc on Instagram where you can send her a DM and receive a list of questions to ask on dates. You can also visit her website at loveamy.co Shop Clean Simple Eats protein powder and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 10% off! Click here to try Earlybird CBD/THC gummies and use code POPAPOLOGISTS20 for 20% off.  To support the show, consider subscribing on Patreon, where you can get a bonus epi sode of Pop Apologists every Friday! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Lauren and Chan dive into Kody Brown’s most recent sins, which shows him looking everywhere except in the mirror. The gals touch on the latest rumors with Diddy’s freak-offs and the female A-lister who is being discussed. They weigh in on a recent “Ask Jane” advice submission and Jane’s surprising response. Lauren and Chan discuss Zoë Kravitz and Channing Tatum’s shocking split, a very interesting reaction from someone in the know, as well as the Lauren’s take on who Channing is morphing into. The gals chat about the woman who sat next to Taylor Swift’s father Scott on a flight and what questions they would have asked him. Finally, they put their business caps on and dive into the decline of Starbucks. Shop Clean Simple Eats protein powder and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 10% off! Click here to try EarlyBird CBD/THC gummies and use code POPAPOLOGISTS20 for 20% off. To support the show, consider subscribing on Patreon, where you can get a bonus episode of Pop Apologists every Friday! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Lauren and Chan share the toils of being fashion girlies in Manhattan and give their hot take on sample sales and clothing resale. The gals chat about 50 Cent being the canary in the coal mine about Diddy for the past decade and the upcoming Netflix doc “Diddy Do It?” They air their grievances with members of the Kelce family regarding the Eras tour and what photographic evidence they are waiting to see. Lauren and Chan discuss Harry and Meghan’s recent vacation home purchase in Portugal and what rich people behavior is truly baffling to the commoners. They gals discuss Taylor Swift’s birthday gifts to Travis Kelce and what it says about any future engagement ring. Lauren and Chan touch on Luann De Lesseps’s recent statements about Real Housewife salaries and discuss the costs of being a Real Housewife. The gals chat RHOSLC’s Bronwyn Newport and why Salt Lake City’s Housewives are giving viewers so many reasons to tune in. Finally, Lauren and Chan discuss the heartbreaking details of Liam Payne’s tragic passing. Shop Clean Simple Eats protein powder and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 10% off! Click here to try EarlyBird CBD/THC gummies and use code POPAPOLOGISTS20 for 20% off. To support the show, consider subscribing on Patreon, where you can get a bonus episode of Pop Apologists every Friday! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Lauren and Chan dive into the mystery that is Taylor Swift’s style and try and determine why Taylor is choosing to spend her one wild and precious life dressed like Hermione going out for the weekend. The gals chat about Jessica Chastain putting Jet Blue on blast via Twitter and why it didn’t have the desired outcome with the public. They discuss Hailey Bieber’s distance with her parents and why Hailey isn’t the average nepo baby. Lauren and Chan touch on the allegations of Elon Musk spying on Amber Heard and why Amber is living her best life post-Johnny Depp trial. The gals do a quick fashion Q&A answering listener questions about fall trends, when it’s ok to splurge, and their thoughts on the best first luxury purchase. Finally, Lauren and Chan get into the RHOC of it all, where they dive into updates on Shannon Beador, vulnerability from Heather Dubrow, and the storyline they would love to hear more from. ​​Shop Clean Simple Eats protein powder and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 10% off! To support the show, consider subscribing on Patreon, where you can get a bonus episode of Pop Apologists every Friday! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Lauren and Chan chat about recent life updates, including Lauren’s celebrity sighting in New York City and Chan’s engagement photo conundrum. The gals discuss their theory on what is going on with Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce and unpack some of the rumors that have been circulating. They touch on Meghan Markle’s recent event appearance and the negative spin some creators take with Meghan content. They also discuss Lana Del Rey's recent marriage to Jeremy Dufrene. Lauren and Chan dive into the recent breakup between Kristin Cavallari and Mark Estes and what project has been fast tracked as a result. The gals discuss another couple that may be headed toward a split– Kanye West and Bianca Censori. Finally, they dive into all things Diddy, including a few dark theories, his mother’s statement, and which celebrities are likely sweating big time over Diddy’s arrest. ​​Shop Clean Simple Eats protein powder and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 10% off! To support the show, consider subscribing on Patreon, where you can get a bonus episode of Pop Apologists every Friday! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Lauren and Chan are taking a trip down memory lane and sharing exactly how Pop Apologists came to be. The gals talk about the earliest days of the podcast, the day the podcast left the airwaves, and what finally brought Pop Apologists back to the podcast world. They go into detail about some of the most famous Pop Apologists and family lore (Their stint as child activists! Nordstrom ribbon cuttings!) and share more about each member of the Bledsoe family. Finally, Lauren and Chan share more about their lives and careers. ​​ Shop Clean Simple Eats protein powder and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 10% off! To support the show, consider subscribing on Patreon, where you can get a bonus episode of Pop Apologists every Friday! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Lauren and Chan have their beloved brother-in-law Wyatt Grow join the podcast to answer listener questions and share some wisdom. Wyatt and the gals answer the following: How to get my boyfriend to propose? How does he feel about Courtney's spending? What he wishes he knew before having children? How did you know you were ready to have kids? Which Bledsoe sister would he want to be stranded with on a desert island? What would he do if he was president for the day? How would he handle dividing up the fictional Bledsoe estate? Which Bledsoe sister would he ask to help bury a body? How to show up in a marriage when you're feeling tired and stressed? What should you be looking for in a partner? How to handle mood swings with a male partner? What is his favorite thing about being married into the Bledsoe family? ​​Shop Clean Simple Eats protein powder and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 10% off! Click here to try EarlyBird CBD/THC gummies and use code POPAPOLOGISTS20 for 20% off.  To support the show, consider subscribing on Patreon, where you can get a bonus episode of Pop Apologists every Friday! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Lauren and Chan are joined by special guest Indy Blue to chat about all things related to "The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives." The gals dive into the complicated dynamics of not just the women on the show, but how the show relates specifically to Utah Mormon culture and what it looks like to be Mormon in today's world. They look at the relationships between the women and their husbands, the perception of the level of sinning, the issues the women on the show face as a result of being raised in a religious patriarchal society, and the real impact of MomTok.  ​​Shop Clean Simple Eats protein powder and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 10% off! Click here to try EarlyBird CBD/THC gummies and use code POPAPOLOGISTS20 for 20% off.  To support the show, consider subscribing on Patreon, where you can get a bonus episode of Pop Apologists every Friday! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

TRIGGER WARNING: This episode contains graphic details concerning the death of Laci and Conner Peterson. In a two part series, Lauren and Chan are diving into the disappearance of Laci Peterson, a California woman who went missing on Christmas Eve 2002 when she was 8 months pregnant. Her husband Scott Peterson was convicted of her murder in 2004, but there are remaining questions that have some people wondering if it is possible that Scott did not actually kill Laci and their unborn baby, Conner. In part two of this two part series, the gals discuss Scott Peterson's continuous lies about his affair with Amber Frey, the discovery of Laci and Conner's bodies,  Scott's arrest and trial, and Scott's efforts to prove his innocence. Shop Clean Simple Eats protein powder and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 10% off! Click here to try EarlyBird CBD/THC gummies and use code POPAPOLOGISTS20 for 20% off.  To support the show, consider subscribing on Patreon, where you can get a bonus episode of Pop Apologists every Friday! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

In a two part series, Lauren and Chan are diving into the disappearance of Laci Peterson, a California woman who went missing on Christmas Eve 2002 when she was 8 months pregnant. Her husband Scott Peterson was convicted of her murder in 2004, but there are remaining questions that have some people wondering if it is possible that Scott did not actually kill Laci and their unborn baby.  In part one of this two part series, the gals discuss the events leading up to Laci's disappearance, Scott's alleged activities of Christmas Eve 2002, the investigation into Laci's disappearance, and the bombshell information that showed the public that Scott Peterson wasn't the devoted husband people thought he was. Continue listening to part two and hear more about the investigation, discovery of Laci and Conner, Scott's trial, and his efforts to prove his innocence.  Shop Clean Simple Eats protein powder and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 10% off! Click here to try EarlyBird CBD/THC gummies and use code POPAPOLOGISTS20 for 20% off.  To support the show, consider subscribing on Patreon, where you can get a bonus episode of Pop Apologists every Friday! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Lauren and Chan are diving into all the drama surrounding Blake Lively, Justin Baldoni, and the movie It Ends With Us. The gals give their take on Meghan Markle's recent visit to Colombia, where she surprised everyone with her Spanish speaking skills. They also discussed what could have been if the British royal family and media had embraced Meghan's strengths, rather than take issue with her from the start. Lauren and Chan discuss the terrifying story of Mike Lynch's superyacht capsizing off the coast of Sicily. Finally, the gals discuss the five members of the ketamine ring who are being charged in connection to Matthew Perry's death.  Shop Clean Simple Eats protein powder and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 10% off! Click here to try EarlyBird CBD/THC gummies and use code POPAPOLOGISTS20 for 20% off.  To support the show, consider subscribing on Patreon, where you can get a bonus episode of Pop Apologists every Friday! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Lauren and Chan give some life updates, including Lauren's upcoming travel conundrum and Chan's dream birthday gift. The gals dive into Gywneth Paltrow and Brad Falchuk potentially having some trouble in their Montecito paradise and the tabloid article that had a surprising amount of insight. They take a look at another pair who may be consciously uncoupling, Sara Foster and longtime partner Tommy Haas, and why marriage was never in the cards for them. Lauren and Chan talk about the video where Travis Kelce mentions "The Taylor Swift Effect" and why Travis really is the perfect partner for Taylor. Finally, the gals chat about Harry and Meghan's recent launch of The Parents' Network and why it is important to take a balanced approach with Meghan Markle.  Shop Clean Simple Eats protein powder and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 10% off! Click here to try EarlyBird CBD/THC gummies and use code POPAPOLOGISTS20 for 20% off.  To support the show, consider subscribing on Patreon, where you can get a bonus episode of Pop Apologists every Friday! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Lauren and Chan are joined by Dana Omari-Harrell from @igfamousbydana to dive into the beauty practices, products, and trends that have listeners wondering whether they are legit or just scams. They chat about the creators on Instagram who are claiming to transform your face through facia massage and facial HIIT training. The gals discuss the beauty device that both Chanler and Dana love and why it actually works. Dana shares her thoughts on microneedling at home vs. a med spa. Finally, the gals dive into which procedure Dana hates and her opinion on popular trends such as Morpheus8, buccal fat removal, and Sculptra.  Shop Clean Simple Eats protein powder and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 10% off! Click here to try EarlyBird CBD/THC gummies and use code POPAPOLOGISTS20 for 20% off.  To support the show, consider subscribing on Patreon, where you can get a bonus episode of Pop Apologists every Friday! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Lauren and Chan chat about the $600 million wedding spectacle seen 'round the world and consider why bigger doesn't always mean better. The gals discuss American Riviera Orchard and the super luxe brand Flamingo Estate, where Meghan Markle seemingly gathered a great deal of inspiration. They then dive into why Alec Baldwin's involuntary manslaughter trial was dismissed and what they are really looking forward to watching from the Baldwins. Lauren and Chan take a look at Katy Perry's new song and music video and give their take on why Katy's satirical attempt at female empowerment has fallen flat. Finally, the gals discuss the RHOC premiere, which has given them all the elements they have been waiting for in a great Housewives episode.  Shop Clean Simple Eats protein powder and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 10% off! Go to EarlyBirdCBD.com  to get our favorite CBD/THC gummies and use code POPAPOLOGISTS20 for 20% off. This episode is brought to you by BetterHelp.  Give online therapy a try at betterhelp.com/stunning today and get 10% off your first month.  To support the show, consider subscribing on Patreon, where you can get a bonus episode of Pop Apologists every Friday! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Lauren and Chan discuss Bethenny Frankel's new podcast segment about dating and their thoughts on the truly shocking advice Bethenny is dishing out. The gals touch on some additional Bethenny news, specifically her recent statements about Aurora Culpo and ex Paul Bernon. They dive into the recent gossip about a s****y situation at Gwyneth Paltrow's guest house. Lauren and Chan give their take on Gypsy Rose Blanchard's recent pregnancy announcement. The gals chat about Brad Pitt hard launching his girlfriend Ines de Ramon at the Grand Prix Silverstone Circuit. Finally, Chan gives some shocking updates on the Karen Reid trial. Stick around for a Pop Apologists Golden Moment, where Lauren shares a s****y situation of her own.  Shop Clean Simple Eats protein powder and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 10% off! Go to EarlyBirdCBD.com  to get our favorite CBD/THC gummies and use code POPAPOLOGISTS20 for 20% off. To support the show, consider subscribing on Patreon, where you can get a bonus episode of Pop Apologists every Friday! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Once upon a time, millennial girls across the globe were used to seeing Mary-Kate and Ashley Olsen everywhere- from family favorite Full House in the 80's and 90's to their direct to video movies, cd's, and merch that was all over WalMart stores. Then, Mary-Kate and Ashley seemingly vanished from public view altogether. Buckle in and hear all about how Mary-Kate and Ashley Olsen went from being the most overexposed twins on the planet to embracing quiet luxury before it was cool and becoming two of the most highly respected forces in the fashion world.  Shop Clean Simple Eats protein powder and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 10% off! Go to EarlyBirdCBD.com  to get our favorite CBD/THC gummies and use code POPAPOLOGISTS20 for 20% off. To support the show, consider subscribing on Patreon, where you can get a bonus episode of Pop Apologists every Friday! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Lauren and Chan are joined by travel advisor Alexandra Stockton to talk about all things travel. Alexandra specializes in luxury travel across the globe and answers listener questions such as: -why using a travel advisor is the way to go -when is the best time to book a hotel -which vacation destinations are overhyped and overcrowded -where to travel if you're looking for a sugar daddy -where are some of the best honeymoon locations -which locations at the best for vacations in the US -what a travel advisor does for a group trip -why she stays away from AirBNB and VRBO properties Lauren and Chan also share their go-to airport style, their packing philosophy, and their biggest travel hack.  You can find Alexandra Stockton at alexandrastockton.com or on Instagram at @alexandrahstockton or @alexandrastocktontravel Shop Clean Simple Eats protein powder and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 10% off! Go to EarlyBirdCBD.com  to get our favorite CBD/THC gummies and use code POPAPOLOGISTS20 for 20% off. To support the show, considersubscribing on Patreon, where you can get a bonus episode of Pop Apologists every Friday! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Lauren and Chan have prepared a deep dive on the trial of Karen Read, a Massachusetts woman who is being accused of murdering her Boston police officer boyfriend, John O'Keefe. The gals give an overview of this ongoing trial, which is the opposite of an open-and-shut case. They discuss the many details that are not adding up from his trial, including deleted phone calls and text messages, middle of the night internet searches, a potential police conspiracy and massive coverup, a federal investigation, and so much more. This case has Lauren and Chan truly wondering what could have happened to John O'Keefe, since the evidence is anything but clear and convincing.  Shop Clean Simple Eats protein powder and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 10% off! Go to EarlyBirdCBD.com  to get our favorite CBD/THC gummies and use code POPAPOLOGISTS20 for 20% off. This episode is brought to you by BetterHelp.  Give online therapy a try at betterhelp.com/stunning today and get 10% off your first month.  To support the show, consider subscribing on Patreon, where you can get a bonus episode of Pop Apologists every Friday! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Lauren and Chan discuss the latest news on Ben Affleck and Jennifer Lopez's marriage and speculate why Ben and Jennifer might be selling their $60 million dollar home if it's not for a divorce. The gals chat about the upcoming E! reality series starring Denise Richards and her daughters and their questions about the family's digital income streams. They dive into TJ Holmes's recent comments about Amy Robach and chat about which details strain credulity. Lauren and Chan discuss the statements from a Matty Healy source that furthers the conclusion that Matty is truly the smallest man who ever lived. The gals discuss Donald Trump's recent statements about Taylor Swift and what kind of presidential debate they can get on board with. Finally, Lauren and Chan give their thoughts on Travis Kelce's recent car wash video and why they think it's such a refreshing change for Taylor.  Shop Clean Simple Eats protein powder and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 10% off! Go to EarlyBirdCBD.com to get our favorite CBD/THC gummies and use code POPAPOLOGISTS20 for 20% off. To support the show, consider subscribing on Patreon, where you can get a bonus episode of Pop Apologists every Friday! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Lauren and Chan discuss the latest update on Ben Affleck and Jennifer Lopez's marriage and read between the lines to see what is actually going on, including an interesting conspiracy. The gals have noticed a verrrrrrrry interesting change in Gwyneth Paltrow and are ready to chat about their observations. They dive into the newest season of The Kardashians and talk about the moments they have truly enjoyed and the questions they have for Kim. Lauren and Chan chat about the recent photos of Natalie Portman and Paul Mescal and speculate about the nature of their relationship. Finally, the gals give their thoughts on the upcoming TLC series The Baldwins and why they are thrilled to have Alec Baldwin joining the likes of Kody Brown and John Gosselin.  Shop Clean Simple Eats protein powder and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 10% off! Go to EarlyBirdCBD.com to get our favorite CBD/THC gummies and use code POPAPOLOGISTS20 for 20% off. To support the show, consider subscribing on Patreon, where you can get a bonus episode of Pop Apologists every Friday! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Lauren and Chan are joined by Ryan from the So Bad It's Good with Ryan Bailey podcast to talk all about part 3 of the Vanderpump Rules Reunion. They chat all about what they loved about this season of VPR, which cast members have shown the most (and least) amount of growth, and what they would love to see in future seasons of VPR. Plus, Ryan and Lauren talk all about Ryan's recent Eras Tour experience in Stockholm and how they think Taylor Swift's music and career will evolve over the next decade.  Shop Clean Simple Eats protein powder and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 10% off! Go to EarlyBirdCBD.com to get our favorite CBD/THC gummies and use code POPAPOLOGISTS20 for 20% off. To support the show, consider subscribing on Patreon, where you can get a bonus episode of Pop Apologists every Friday! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Lauren and Chan chat about the latest developments in the never-ending Brad Pitt vs. Angelina Jolie lawsuit. The gals dive into the subtle statement from Brad and Angelina's children and what it says about what likely happened behind closed doors at the Jolie-Pitt home. They discuss the latest airplane horror story involving a flight traveling from Doha to Dublin, which comes just a week after the disastrous Singapore Airlines flight that killed 1 and injured 30 others. Finally, Lauren and Chan take a look at Bethenny Frankel's latest TikTok antics, where she takes a note from Pretty Woman and then accuses a luxury brand of being *gasp* elitist.  Shop Clean Simple Eats protein powder and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 10% off! Go to EarlyBirdCBD.com to get our favorite CBD/THC gummies and use code POPAPOLOGISTS20 for 20% off. To support the show, consider subscribing on Patreon, where you can get a bonus episode of Pop Apologists every Friday! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Lauren and Chan chat about the pop culture topics of the moment including the Ashley Madison documentary, Baby Reindeer, The Jinx Part 2, video footage showing Diddy assaulting Cassie Ventura + his "apology", Taylor and Travis's vacation to Lake Como, Ben and J. Lo's marital woes, and another Boeing catastrophe. Plus, the gals discuss health updates for Kate Middleton and Chan. Finally, the ladies ask for listener suggestions on any true crime cases that should be featured as a future deep dive episodes.  LINK TO THE HAIR TOOL 3 Shop Clean Simple Eats protein powder and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 10% off! Go to EarlyBirdCBD.com to get our favorite CBD/THC gummies and use code POPAPOLOGISTS20 for 20% off. To support the show, consider subscribing on Patreon, where you can get a bonus episode of Pop Apologists every Friday! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Lauren and Chan chat about Dorit & PK's separation announcement, which was rumored to have been coming for months. The gals discuss Meghan Markle and Prince Harry's recent trip to Nigeria, where Meghan referred to Nigeria "my country." They dive into Justin and Hailey Bieber's pregnancy announcement + vow renewal as well as Selena Gomez's well-timed decision to turn off Instagram comments the week before the pregnancy announcement. Finally, Lauren and Chan chat about The Eras Tour's most recent shows, which now feature music from TTPD, and Travis supporting Taylor at her final Paris show.  Shop Clean Simple Eats protein powder and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 10% off! Go to EarlyBirdCBD.com to get our favorite CBD/THC gummies and use code POPAPOLOGISTS20 for 20% off. To support the show, consider subscribing on Patreon, where you can get a bonus episode of Pop Apologists every Friday! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Lauren and Chan discuss the 2024 Met Gala looks and decide which attendees understood the theme and which ones missed the mark. The gals rate looks by Zendaya, Amelia Grey, EmRata, Lana Del Rey, Sydney Sweeney, Lauren Sánchez and more. Lauren shares a shocking bit of Jeff Bezos gossip that sounds almost too crazy to believe. They chat about Kim Kardashian being booed during Tom Brady's roast and which roast jokes went a little too far. Lauren and Chan dive into the lives of Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman's adult children and how Katie Holmes likely saw the writing on the wall with Suri years ago. The gals touch on Bethenny Frankel and Paul Bernon's breakup and why they believe the relationship was doomed from the start. Finally, they chat about Nick Viall's nightmare honeymoon, which serves as a cautionary tale for all.  Shop Clean Simple Eats protein powder and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 10% off! Go to EarlyBirdCBD.com to get our favorite CBD/THC gummies and use code POPAPOLOGISTS20 for 20% off. To support the show, consider subscribing on Patreon, where you can get a bonus episode of Pop Apologists every Friday! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

This week the gals chat about Chanler's experience chasing the solar eclipse and a recent psychic reading Lauren had done that she hoped would lead to further information about Kate Middleton. They then dive into Morgan Wallen's love sick chair-throwing episode that landed him in the slammer over the weekend. Chanler leads us through the accusations of Rebel Wilson against Sacha Baron Cohen and finally, the gals revisit the concept of children forced to protest on behalf of their activist parents. Shop Clean Simple Eats protein powder and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 10% off! Go to EarlyBirdCBD.com to get our favorite CBD/THC gummies and use code POPAPOLOGISTS20 for 20% off. To support the show, consider subscribing on Patreon, where you can get a bonus episode of Pop Apologists every Friday! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Lauren and Chan chat about the emergence of new AI robots hitting the scene, which AI practices the gals cannot get on board with, and why AI may end up  helping them achieve their dreams of living their best Ballerina Farm lives. They dive into the New York Post article that discussed why women love dad bods, specifically putting Travis Kelce into the dad bod category. Lauren and Chan take a look at the different physical standards that exist for men vs. women and why they are loving the photos they have recently seen of Taylor Swift on vacation with Travis Kelce. The gals take a look at the lawsuit between former RHOC couple Shannon Beador and John Janssen, in which John is suing Shannon for $75,000. Finally, Lauren and Chan introduce a new segment, Pop Apologists Golden Moment, where they share some of the best stories from early episodes of the podcast.  To support the show, consider subscribing on Patreon, where you can get a bonus episode of Pop Apologists every Friday! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Lauren and Chanler are joined by Kate Casey to unpack the new MAX series, "Quiet on Set." But first, the blonde trio debrief on Kate Middleton and get Kate's expert opinion on where exactly Kensington Palace failed their princess in their PR fumbling of the century. The gals also touch on very troubling news re: Gerry the Golden Bachelor and Theresa Nist before diving into the disturbing docu-series that has everyone glued to their screens in horror. Listen along as Lauren, Chanler, and Kate discuss the toxic work environment on Dan Schneider's hit Nickelodeon children's tv show sets, including "The Amanda Show" and "All That." The gals discuss the humiliations and sexual assaults the cast and crew on these shows endured and question the moral murkiness of child stardom in today's world. Buckle in...listener discretion is advised. Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Lauren and Chanler sit down to discuss the raid of P. Diddy's homes in Los Angeles, NYC, and Miami as federal authorities search of evidence of the rapper's crimes. The gals discuss his misdeeds up until this point and the current accusations against him by his former producer, Rodney 'Lil Rod' Jones. After detailing these unsavory allegations, Lauren and Chan move onto decidedly lighter subject matter and discuss the new photos of Travis Kelce and Taylor Swift on vacation in the Bahamas. The girls also share their joy at the news that Meghan Markle is launching a lifestyle brand, "American Riviera Orchard." They chat the merits of this name, brand names they believe hit the cutting room floor, and what they are excited to see from the duchess's forthcoming luxury empire. Finally, Lauren and Chan discuss the new developments in the Ruby Franke case. To support the show, consider subscribing on Patreon, where you can get a bonus episode of Pop Apologists every Friday! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Lauren and Chanler sit down to discuss the tragic announcement that Kate made via video statement on Friday to the world. They give their full thoughts on the video statement, including how they now feel about their "Where TF is Kate" series given the news. The gals discuss the timing of the announcement, whether the royal family can be trusted, and why this conversation matters more than every at a time when faith in institutions is at an all-time low. They also get into the mysterious death of the Boeing whistleblower, a man who died just as he was supplying information in court about alleged negligence in one of the largest aviation companies in the world. Finally, Lauren and Chan debrief on Ariana finally moving out of the house she and Tom Sandoval shared. Buckle in! To support the show, consider subscribing on Patreon, where you can get a bonus episode of Pop Apologists every Friday! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Lauren and Chan are ready with a deep dive on Anne Hathaway, including their personal psychological evaluation as to why Anne seems to provoke so many feelings of consternation and ire among the public. Despite starring in a slew of beloved movies, hosting the Oscars in 2012, and winning the Oscar for best supporting actress in 2013, there was a growing amount of backlash against Anne. The gals take a closer look at why many members of the public have strong negative feelings about Anne, discuss whether they believe these feelings are warranted, or if the public needs to give Anne a break. Hear all about Anne's high profile romance with Raffaello Follieri, a fraudster who was sentenced to 4 years in prison following an FBI investigation immediately following their relationship. Finally, buckle in as Lauren and Chan deliver their verdict on whether they are pro-Anne Hathaway or if the Hathahate has any merit.  Shop Clean Simple Eats protein powder and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 10% off! To support the show, consider subscribing on Patreon, where you can get a bonus episode of Pop Apologists every Friday! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

A deep dive that covers the dating history of the internet's ex-boyfriend, John Mayer. Hear all about John's known relationships and hookups, what he has to say about his time with them and vice versa, whose body is actually a wonderland, and what John Mayer wants in a partner now. For a man who hasn't dated anyone publicly in the past decade, women everywhere are still reeling over John's disastrous 2010 Playboy interview and the bombshells dropped in Jessica Simpson's memoir Open Book. One question remains: Is John Mayer still the same man who inspired songs like Dear John, or has he grown enough to learn from his past and actually have a lasting relationship? Buckle in, because it's going to be a bumpy ride! Shop Clean Simple Eats protein powder and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 10% off! To support the show, consider subscribing on Patreon, where you can get a bonus episode of Pop Apologists every Friday! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Lauren and Chan are ready with a deep dive on former Good Morning America anchors TJ Holmes and Amy Robach. These co-workers captured headlines in December 2022 when their workplace romance unexpectedly went public. The big problem? They were both married to other people at the time. Listen in as the gals shed some light on the known timeline of their relationship, which is a lot murkier than TJ and Amy are wanting to admit. Hear about the dramatic fallout that resulted from their relationship and how this couple has attempted to rebuild their careers as a couple, far from the bright lights of the Good Morning America set. Finally, Lauren gives her shocking theory about this couple and why things might change now that the lavender haze has faded from this relationship. Shop Clean Simple Eats protein powder and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 10% off! To support the show, consider subscribing on Patreon, where you can get a bonus episode of Pop Apologists every Friday! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

In honor of the upcoming episode on scams, Lauren and Chan discuss one of the biggest scams of all that is somehow accepted as normal. Chan recounts the recent simple favor she did for Lauren that turned out to be a complicated hellscape. Lauren and Chan give their full Grammy awards debrief, including the fashion hits and misses of some of their favorite artists. The gals discuss which artist really deserves more recognition for her lyrical genius and which performances brought them joy. Finally, they discuss the biggest bombshell of the night: Taylor Swift announcing her 11th studio album-The Tortured Poets Department coming out April 19. Lauren and Chan discuss everything they know about this album: the easter eggs, the song titles, and why this album will likely answer all of the questions they have had about Taylor and Joe's relationship and breakup. Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Welcome to The Trial of David Foster, where Lauren and Chan examine this Canadian songwriter & producer's marriages and misdeeds. Listen as the gals dive into David's five marriages to discuss his relationship patterns and the toll it has taken on those in his orbit. Join Lauren and Chan as the judge, jury, and executioner regarding this man's bad behavior, complete with the gals' take on why David hated being on Real Housewives of Beverly Hills + why they think he and Yolanda Hadid (wife #4) split. Finally, listen in as  Lauren and Chan discuss the interview where Katherine McPhee (wife #5) tells the tale of her and David's love. Buckle in, because this is a trial you won't want to miss. Shop Clean Simple Eats protein powder and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 10% off! To support the show, consider subscribing on Patreon, where you can get a bonus episode of Pop Apologists every Friday! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Today we are so excited to have Dr. Jonathan Zelken on the podcast. Dr. Zelken is a board certified plastic surgeon based in Newport Beach, CA. After receiving his undergraduate degree in biology from Cornell University, he continued on to a degree in medicine at Tufts University, completed his plastic surgery training at Johns Hopkins Hospital, and then completed a microsurgery fellowship in Taiwan to further perfect his technique. Dr. Zelkin has learned from the best of the best to become one of the country's leading plastic surgeons, specializing in facelifts, facial contouring, and a wide variety of plastic surgery techniques since opening his practice in 2016. Dr. Zelken's website and Instagram account are full of stunning before and after photos, featuring his flawless work and attention to the smallest of details on a wide variety of procedures. As the facelift expert of Newport Beach, Dr. Zelken is making his patients look like they are aging backwards, and we are so excited to hear his thoughts on all things related to plastic surgery. Shop Clean Simple Eats protein powder and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 10% off! To support the show, consider subscribing on Patreon, where you can get a bonus episode of Pop Apologists every Friday! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

This week the gals discuss: Alexis Bellino from RHOC and John Janssen are Instagram official, and Lauren and Chan have so many thoughts on this pairing #housewivesgrifter Kristen Taekman from RHONYC is on the newest Real Housewives Ultimate Girl's Trip, and she has made a few statements that have Lauren and Chan scratching their heads. Take a trip down memory lane to her husband Josh's less than upstanding past and hear where the math isn't mathing.  Heather Durrow's recent statements about her family's approach to alcohol and her response to whether she has been disappointed to with her children has the gals floored.  Hear all about Lauren and Chan's New Years resolutions and resignations, including why Chanler will never be able to pull a Pamela Anderson, why Lauren will never get a Mr. Big/Simon van Kempen moment in Cartier. Plus, hear all about Lauren's New Year's celebration with a very unexpected end. Shop Clean Simple Eats protein powder and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 10% off! To support the show, consider subscribing on Patreon, where you can get a bonus episode of Pop Apologists every Friday! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Lauren and Chan are so excited to have Madi from The Bad Broadcast on the podcast as they chat the things they know in their 30's that they didn't know in their 20's.  Listen in to hear some life lessons from three Bad Broads who occasionally have it all together, including feelings about karma, the value in investing in relationships, thoughts on cutting off friendships, left swipes being as important as the right swipes, thoughts on the Carrie Bradshaw life, why your 30's are so much better than your 20's, the three things Madi keeps on hand at all times, and Chan's words of warning to all 20 somethings.  Plus, enjoy some hilarious stories about Madi's recent surprise gambling bender, the special hell that are podcast reviews, and baby name ideas. Click here to try the most magical gummies by EarlyBird CBD! Use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 20% off! Shop Clean Simple Eats protein powder and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 10% off! To support the show, consider subscribing on Patreon, where you can get a bonus episode of Pop Apologists every Friday! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

This week Lauren and Chan are joined by Kate Casey from Reality Life with Kate Casey as they dive into the fascinating world of the Mother God cult featured in the HBO docuseries "Love Has Won: The Cult of Mother God." Hear about cult leader Amy Carlson's beliefs, including being 19 million year old and being helped by a team of dead celebrities, led by Robin Williams. The gals discuss Mother God's rise to power and the bizarre practices she and her followers would take part in as part of their community. This docuseries is like a slow motion disaster- you can't believe what you are seeing, but you also can't look away.  Lauren, Chan, and Kate also talk about their favorite reality topics: The Golden Bachelor, Sister Wives, and Paris Hilton. Hear who Kate feels is the most powerful woman in unscripted television, as well as a genius idea for a TLC spinoff show. Click here to try the most magical gummies by EarlyBird CBD! Use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 20% off! Shop Clean Simple Eats protein powder and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 10% off! To support the show, consider subscribing on Patreon, where you can get a bonus episode of Pop Apologists every Friday! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Lauren and Chan are back chatting the stress of longevity protocols and the hilarity of child-free adults offering parenting advice. They discuss the show Paris in Love.  Lauren has some very strong feelings about Paris's husband and shares what gives her the biggest ick.  Lauren and Chan dive into the gems that exist in People magazine, which was so kind to check up on how Justin Timberlake is doing after his harrowing month. They chat William and Kate's "sexy ass Gap ad" Christmas card, which leads them to chat quiet luxury vs. the obvious flex. Taylor Swift's birthday is coming up, and Travis has some fantastic surprises in the works, and the gals have some thoughts about it. In a truly glass half full attitude, Lauren and Chan have found ways to applaud Kanye's wife Bianca Censori's recent style efforts. Details of Todd Chrisley's prison stay are out and things are looking rough. Callout to Kim Kardashian, because Todd needs her help. The gals answer some recent listener questions:  ⁃Chan's non-alcoholic wine recommendations  ⁃Lauren and Chan's Christmas wishlists  Lauren and Chan finally discuss the trailer for the upcoming season of Vanderpump Rules, which is truly teasing some amazing drama to come. Click here to try the most magical gummies by EarlyBird CBD! Use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 20% off! Shop Clean Simple Eats protein powder and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 10% off! To support the show, consider subscribing on Patreon, where you can get a bonus episode of Pop Apologists every Friday! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Lauren and Chan chat anniversary celebrations and the unexpected horrors of living in New York. They get into their love for Oprah and the dilemma that she might be facing after her recent public appearance. The gals then break down the Golden Bachelor finale & after the final rose special. They talk about Gerry's relationship with one of his ladies completely unraveling after a seemingly wonderful night in the fantasy suite, and why it was actually a good thing in the long run. They also chat about Gerry and his final lady racing to the televised altar in January, "because who knows how much time we have left." After reading the Hollywood Reporter article on Gerry and seeing Gerry's reaction over an unexpected trip, Lauren and Chan are confident that Gerry has an insufferable trait that gives them the ick in a big way. *spoiler alert: They will be talking about which senior citizen was offered the final rose* Lauren and Chan then get into the latest drama with the Markles of Montecito and the names that were revealed as allegedly commenting on Archie's skin color. Finally, a quick moment on Morgan Wade appearing in RHOBH with Kyle! Click here to try the most magical gummies by EarlyBird CBD! Use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 20% off! Shop Clean Simple Eats protein powder and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 10% off! To support the show, consider subscribing on Patreon, where you can get a bonus episode of Pop Apologists every Friday! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

The gals chat Taylor going straight to Kansas City and, ostensibly, into the arms of Travis Kelce after her traumatic experience in Brazil.  They discuss The Eras Tour in São Paulo, where the family of Ana Clara Benevides attended the final show in Brazil. Lauren and Chan share some insider tea about Taylor Swift's concert preparation, and what she did differently for her last night in São Paulo. They also chat about Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, where viewers learn more about Erika and her upbringing, as well as the difference in Kyle's friendship with Dorit vs. Sutton. Finally, Lauren and Chan talk about Real Housewives of Salt Lake City showing some surprising vulnerability and which marriage the gals are rooting for.  Click here to try the most magical gummies by EarlyBird CBD! Use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 20% off! Shop Clean Simple Eats protein powder and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 10% off! To support the show, consider subscribing on Patreon, where you can get a bonus episode of Pop Apologists every Friday! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

This week Lauren and Chan are chatting about what is happening on Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, including lots of lunches and a meme-worthy moment. They discuss the lawsuit that was filed and quickly settled between Cassie and P Diddy, as well as the major red flags they have seen around P Diddy over the years. Lauren and Chan break down the WSJ article on Travis Kelce, where he just continues to impress and show why he might be exactly what Taylor needs.Finally, they discuss the tragedy at Taylor Swift's recent show in Brazil. Click here to try the most magical gummies by EarlyBird CBD! Use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 20% off! Shop Clean Simple Eats protein powder and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 10% off! To support the show, consider subscribing on Patreon, where you can get a bonus episode of Pop Apologists every Friday! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

This week Lauren and Chan are breaking down the biggest moments from Bravo Con 2023: -What Kyle Richards revealed during her RHOBH panel discussion, and what recent actions from Mauricio have the gals shaking their heads.  -Who is coming through as an unlikely Tom Sandoval ally, and why we think Tom keeps showing up, despite being the franchise pariah.  -Why Bethenny's "Reality Takedown" is more of a "Reality Raindrop." -What is the likelihood of Heather Dubrow switching franchises, and which Housewives franchise could use a total reboot.  -How we know that a certain Housewife will not be returning for a second season. -An overview + new details from the Heather McDonald and Jeff Lewis drama Click here to try the most magical gummies by EarlyBird CBD! Use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 20% off! Shop Clean Simple Eats protein powder and use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 10% off! To support the show, consider subscribing on Patreon, where you can get a bonus episode of Pop Apologists every Friday! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

This week we posit an aching question: Is the Golden Bachelor, Gerry Turner, potentially too good to be true? We are then thrilled to welcome our guest Zack Peter from "No Filter By Zack Peter" to the podcast to discuss everything Real Housewives! We chat all about RHONY and why Zack would give the season a B- , Bethenny's Reality Reckoning and what we think Bethenny is really after, and RHOBH's unraveling marriages. We also touch on a Dorit and PK conspiracy theory, and Zack's interview with Erika Jayne, where no topic was off-limits.  Click here to try the most magical gummies by EarlyBird CBD! Use code POPAPOLOGISTS for 20% off! To support the show, consider subscribing on Patreon, where you can get a bonus episode of Pop Apologists every Friday! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

This week on the podcast Chan is sent into a tailspin at the running store, Lauren shares her unexpected bonding moment with her dad, and they both share pearls of wisdom from their mom. Chatting about celebrity divorces gets Lauren to wax philosophical about good men vs. weak men and is mentioning it all, specifically which celebrities continually disappoint, and which ones must be protected at all costs. They unpack part one of the RHONY reunion, including who was bringing their fashion A-game, which Housewives got a taste of their own medicine, and which RHONY husband the gals can't help but love. Lauren and Chan discuss the newest episode of The Kardashians, including the questions they have for Kim and the old saying they'd like to impart on Khloe. To support the show, consider subscribing on Patreon, where you can get a bonus episode of Pop Apologists every Friday! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Lauren and Chan chat about the latest happenings with their favorite new couple, Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce, and why they think that these two A-listers could end up going the distance.  Lauren and Chan are here to give their advice on listener questions! Listen to hear their thoughts on: -whether you should tell people you are on Ozempic -if they feel sad they don't live in the same city as their sisters -how to get sisters to become friends -how fast is too fast to be moving on after a breakup -parenting do's & don'ts for your 20 year old daughter -how to handle when you and your fiancé are dreaming of very different weddings -how to deal with a chronically late mother in law on your wedding day To support the show, consider subscribing on Patreon, where you can get a bonus episode of Pop Apologists every Friday! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Lauren and Chan give their thoughts on the David Beckham documentary- both the truly stunning as well as the surprisingly garish. Seeing David and Victoria Beckham in their editorially controlled element was a stunning sight that may have the gals watching more soccer, ahem, football in the future. Lauren and Chan then chatted the newest episode of RHONY, which had them reversing their opinions about which cast members they were loving, and why the mean girl antics of a few Housewives really left a bad taste in their mouth. They then dug into the rumors that Mauricio Umansky may have a new woman on his arm, and why the gals are exhausted with the mental ping pong that is taking place with Mauricio and Kyle. Finally, they discussed Matthew McConaughey's appearance on Smartness and why Chan was ready to take a cold shower after listening.  To support the show, consider subscribing on Patreon, where you can get a bonus episode of Pop Apologists every Friday! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

This week the gals dive into the premiere of The Golden Bachelor, including all their thoughts on the tan-skinned, 71 year old hunk Gerry and his bevy of ABC beauties. Listen along as Lauren and Chan debrief on who they think is the frontrunner and which moment made them CRINGE. They also get into all things RHONY, including their thoughts on Jenna , Brynn, and Erin. Finally they discuss Taylor attending Travis's game in NY and Kyle's chat with paparazzi at LAX. To support the show, consider subscribing on Patreon, where you can get a bonus episode of Pop Apologists every Friday! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Lauren and Chan are taking listeners on a deep dive that covers the rise and fall of Ruby Franke, the Utah mommy vlogger behind the former YouTube channel 8 Passengers. Before they get into the deep dive, special guests Courtney Grow and Kyle DeFord join Chan for an emergency Taylor Swift/Travis Kelce debrief, as this couple could be the uniting force that this country so desperately needs.  Lauren and Chan chat about the early days of 8 Passengers, which had 2.8 million subscribers at its peak. Subscribers would watch Ruby give parenting advice and glimpses into her family's life.  There were definite warning signs of abuse going on behind the scenes, and Lauren and Chan discuss specific instances where it was clear that all was not well with this family.  When Ruby and her business partner/counselor Jodi Hildebrant were arrested in August 2023, former 8 Passengers fans were horrified to learn of the abuses that the Franke children had endured and were also left with many questions.  The gals discuss two people who have been victimized by Jodi Hildebrandt, which shows the damage that can be done when someone exercises tyrannical power over another. They also discuss the lingering million dollar question: Where was the father Kevin Franke when his children were enduring such abusive conditions? Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Lauren and Chan kick off this week's episode with some criticism toward those who seem to have a little too much luxury in their DNA, the Dubrow children. It seems they have left their nouveau riche nest before gaining some life skills, and the gals have some thoughts about it. Lauren and Chan then dissect Olivia Rodrigo's new album Guts and the songs that are allegedly about Taylor Swift. They chat about Taylor and Olivia's falling out with the release of her first album Sour, and why Taylor's actions may have been especially devastating to Olivia.  The gals chatted about the ever relatable Meghan Markle and her perfectly photographed visit to In-N-Out. Lauren and Chan finished the episode with a follow up discussion of Danny Masterson's sentencing, and their utter disgust with Ashton Kutcher and Mila Kunis for providing character statements. Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

SHOP THE "LUXURY IS IN MY DNA" MERCH DROP HERE! On today's episode, the gals are breaking down the contentious divorce proceedings of Kevin Costner and his soon to be ex-wife Christine, as well as the trouble in paradise for Chanler's favorite boy bander, Joe Jonas and his wife Sophie Turner.  Lauren and Chan dive into Kevin Costner's first divorce, where ex-wife, Cindy Silva, made out like a bandit in their divorce proceedings. This explains why Kevin had an ironclad prenup with second wife Christine, which leaves her with very little in comparison. Despite her most tearful and dramatic efforts at gaining Judge sympathy and claiming their children are so used to living in luxury that it's "in their DNA at this point" she was not granted her request of $249,000 a month in child support.  Christine is now living a nightmare, complete with a luxury 4-bedroom Montecito rental where her children have to share a bathroom with nary an ocean view in sight. The gals don't know how she is going to get by on her $60,000 a month child support payment and are sending their thoughts and prayers. Lauren and Chan also discuss all the evidence that indicates a split between Chan's adolescent love Joe Jonas and wife Sophie Turner is imminent. They go through the timeline of the couple's relationship as well as the warning signs that divorce could be looming.  Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

CLICK HERE TO LISTEN! This week on Patreon, we celebrate Chan getting a well deserved promotion at work! At Lauren's insistence, Chan marked the occasion by treating herself to some quiet luxury from 5th Avenue. We briefly consider changing the name of the podcast to "Liquor Talk" after becoming Morgan Wallen fans. This idea is quickly scrapped after making two very important important considerations. Chan just finished Jessica Simpson's memoir Open Book, and we have some thoughts about Jessica and John Mayer's on and off relationship in the early 2000's. We discuss what we would really like to see on RHONY instead of the fake nonsense drama that is continually featured on Real Housewives. Finally, we share our opinions about the Kardashian's and Jenners's "evolving aesthetics" and why we feel rage over their years of gaslighting everyone. Tap below to hear it all: CLICK HERE TO LISTEN! Head to casitajewelry.com to get any piece of jewelry 30% off during the month of August using code POPAPOLOGISTS The Pop Apologists $500 shopping spree giveaway is open until August 15! To enter, post a link to your favorite Pop Apologists episode, why you love the podcast on your Instagram stories, and tag @popapologists Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Lauren and Chan chat about another misstep by the Montecito Markles, as reports have come out detailing one of the more recent examples of the couple's entitled behavior, this time being their request to join President Joe Biden and Dr. Jill on AIR FORCE ONE following the Queen's funeral. Their requests were declined, as one cannot just hitch a ride with the President, Sussexes or not. This blunder serves as a reminder that maybe the Bidens are not as Team Sussex as the Markles might hope, despite Meghan thinking that Dr. Jill had sent her cloaked messages of support in the form of Oscar De La Renta fashion choices. The gals then dive into the persistent rumors that there is trouble in paradise for Harry and Meghan on both the financial and relationship fronts. As most of their business deals have not panned out, and they have not become Oprah-level dignitaries, they seem to be at a crossroads. Lauren and Chan eagerly await the return of Meghan's Instagram and are ready to click on her Reward Style links, should that blessed day ever come. They leave the road from Montecito and take a much darker road to Gilgo Beach, where Chan leads a deep dive on the Gilgo Beach Murders and the recent arrest of Rex Heuermann, a married father of two and *gasp* architect. From being an unsolved case that plagued Long Island, learn how investigators cracked the cold case using cell phone data, new DNA testing, and a major tip from the "handler" of one of the murder victims. This case is absolutely horrifying, and serves as a chilling reminder that there are people out there who have secret double lives.  The Pop Apologists $500 shopping spree giveaway is open until August 15! To enter, post a link to your favorite Pop Apologists episode, why you love the podcast on your Instagram stories, and tag @popapologists.  Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

The gals give their thoughts on Raquel Leviss going back to her birth name of Rachel, and why it might do her some to good to lay low for another 3-6 months before returning to the scene as wholesome Rachel. Lauren tells Chan about a recent drunken night where she and Kagen watched the 2020 Taylor Swift documentary on Netflix. In a moment of true marital bliss, Kagen saw the light and suggested that he and Lauren go to one of Taylor's concerts. It was quite possibly the easiest "yes!" of Lauren's life, second only to saying yes to Kagen's marriage proposal. Lauren and Chan dig into the newest season of The Kardashians, specifically Kim and Kourtney's feud that reached a fever pitch after Kourtney's wedding. The gals discuss why Kim feels an extra level of competition with Kourtney and why she can't take joy in Kourtney's happiness. Lauren and Chan aren't fighting over Italian weddings and Dolce and Gabbana campaigns, but they can relate to the sister strife that comes when when they both want to have their own identities and individual brands. Regardless, Lauren and Chan agree that family is their top priority, which doesn't always seem to be the case for the Kardashians when they get a fantastic business opportunity. Finally, Lauren and Chan discuss the mysterious case of Carlee Russell, the woman who disappeared without a trace after allegedly seeing a toddler wandering on the side of the highway, only to return home 48 hours later. Mainstream media is giving one set of facts, but the detectives at TikTok are painting an entirely different picture. The $500 shopping spree giveaway is open until August 15th! Enter by posting an Instagram story that tags @popapologists and contains a link to your favorite episode of the podcast.  Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

This week's episode starts off with a bang with the gals revisiting two separate concerts they have ruined for their mother Deb, including the worst thing Chan has ever done at the tender age of 16. The gravity of injustice Chan put her mother through during what should have been an evening of joy still renders her speechless 11 years later.  After watching Titanic with her husband, Kagen, Lauren is worried that her marriage has also hit an iceberg and is now sinking, since Kagen is convinced that Lauren wouldn't jump off a life boat and go back to the Titanic for him, a la Rose and Jack.  The gals talk about their hall passes, what needs to happen for the hall pass to be green lit (hint: it's very different for men and women), and whether Chan's hall pass was accidentally used last year.  Their favorite grifters are the subject of a scathing Wall Street Journal article called Harry and Meghan Produce a Royal Flop: Themselves. They discuss some truly tacky behavior from H&M, and issue yet another plea for the type of content the people are actually interested in seeing from the Sussexes. The gals give their thoughts on Taylor Swift declining Meghan Markle's handwritten invitation to appear on the Archetypes podcast through a representative and why Taylor's loyalties likely lie across the pond with Prince William.  Finally, Lauren and Chan weigh in on Taylor Swift's plea to Swifties to leave John Mayer alone and immediately plays the song Dear John during her concert in preparation for Speak Now (Taylor's version) coming out next month.  Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. To support the show on Patreon and access our 100+ bonus episodes, including our Royal's Deep Dive, click here! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Lauren talks her newfound love for TikTok, and why its users are a unique brand of unhinged. Hear some of their favorite comments from their TikTok videos. The gals also give an assessment on a review that calls them Pick Me Girls and even break out Urban Dictionary to consider the accusation. They then discuss the inception of Kim Kardashian's launch into fame with supporting players Ray J and Kris Jenner. The narrative accepted by many versus the alleged facts are very different and darker than they originally thought. Lauren & Chan also break down Kanye West's problematic, misogynistic 46th birthday party, and Chan gives her family friendly hopes for his next birthday celebration. Finally, hear all their thoughts on Tom Girardi's mental competence and Erica's role in the deceit.  MERCH IS HERE! Click here to check out our limited drop of Work Soft hoodies and hats. Get yours before they're gone! To support the show on Patreon and access our 100+ bonus episodes, including our Royal's Deep Dive, click here! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Lauren shares her philosophy on why she sold her wedding dress and why it's time to normalize selling wedding dresses. Chan discusses adventures in camping as a New York City resident. After hearing Lauren's unshackled thoughts on the Vanderpump Rules reunion part two last week, it's Chan's turn to give her take. The gals get into Taylor Swift and Matty Healy's breakup and the purpose they believe Matty played in Taylor's life. They discuss Natalie Portman's husband, Benjamin Millipied, having an affair with a 25 year old climate activist and discuss some hard truths about men who have character and fidelity flaws. Finally, they cover upcoming travel mini episodes and the two podcasts that they are loving right now! ***If you love this podcast, please hit follow or subscribe! Share your favorite episodes on your Instagram stories! Help us grow! MERCH IS HERE! Click here to check out our limited drop of Work Soft hoodies and hats. Get yours before they're gone! To support the show on Patreon and access our 100+ bonus episodes, including our Royal's Deep Dive, click here! Please note this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

The gals are so excited to have Victoria from J. Brooks Jewelers joining the podcast today to talk about all things fine jewelry. Listen and learn, because Victoria knows exactly what to look for in a fine jewelry purchase and has her finger on the pulse of all things trending in jewelry right now. Today we cover: The real difference between a high quality jeweler compared to online low priced retailers The reasons why a jewelry piece online might be priced much lower than similar items... it's not always because you're getting a great deal Victoria walks Lauren and Chan through exactly what people should be looking for in a diamond and what will start altering the visual quality of their piece Why J. Brooks Jewelers are so particular about the cut of a diamond Engagement ring trends: Lab grown vs. natural diamonds Instagram giving everyone diamond dysmorphia  The difference between natural diamonds, lab grown diamonds, and moissanite The cash vs. trade resale value on diamonds The best non-engagement ring investment piece someone can buy The best watch brands that hold their value All about the J. Brooks Bridal Collection The difference between gold, gold plated, and gold vermeil The investment value of quality jewelry pieces over quantity The history of the Chan chain necklace The history behind J. Brooks jewelers 2023 fine jewelry trends J. Brooks and Pop Apologists have partnered up for a fantastic giveaway! One winner will receive $1,000 to spend at J. Brooks! Listen to the episode and head to our Instagram account for all the details. This episode is brought to you by J Brooks Jewelers and Pop Apologists. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.